starting on my own

[Thomas123]

Have you tried getting qualified first???

 

[cmac70]

Well put markc123. How Electrical Trainee can say they're sparks bets me. I've got 2330 2&3 also 17th action. Waiting results off my 2395. I still would not call myself a spark coz not got nvq 3 yet.

 

[PEM]

Actually Mark I'm 2392,2394,2395, 2382 MRICS LLB so shove that up your a..se and smoke it.

You guys make me sick. Get real the Electrical Trainee mob are cheaper than you and take your work away. Time you snobs smelled the coffee and got real!

I know various sparks with little qualifications on paper but 40+ years as a time served electrician. I also know guys with all the qualifications who I doubt could wipe their own a..se.

Grow up.

 

[Minime]

Electrical Trainee???

 

[Richard Burns]

Electrical Trainee???

five week wonder - someone who has done a electricians course in five weeks and is now ready to wow the world with his skills!

 

[markc123]

Actually Mark I'm 2392,2394,2395, 2382 MRICS LLB so shove that up your a..se and smoke it.

You guys make me sick. Get real the Electrical Trainee mob are cheaper than you and take your work away. Time you snobs smelled the coffee and got real!

I know various sparks with little qualifications on paper but 40+ years as a time served electrician. I also know guys with all the qualifications who I doubt could wipe their own a..se.

Grow up.

Yes. The whole point of myself and others putting these Electrical Trainee's back in touch with the real world.

They shouldn't be around, so it's hardly any use you saying we should wake up and smell the coffee - a Electrical Trainee is not an electrician, and that's the bottom line. You have no argument.

 

[dave274]

I agree that nobody can become a proper electrician in five weeks but for some people there is no other possible route in to the industry. I am 38 with a family to support, there was no way I could do an apprenticeship or go to college I did look for night school courses but to no avail. so I had to fork out several thousand pounds and do a wonder course, yes they promise so much and don't deliver very much and there were people on the course who were absolutely useless but we're not all numpties. I know I've got a hell of a lot to learn but I never bite off more than I can chew and I leave the installation as safe or safer than how I find it. I would have loved to have taken the same route as most of you but it just was not possible.

 

[markc123]

What made you want to do it in the first place though? You saw the £ signs flying at you?

If someone was to do a Electrical Trainee course, inconjunction with working as an electricians mate for a reptuable firm for years then i don't think they'd be much of a problem.

The problem is, Electrical Trainee think they're qualified electricians straight away, set up on their own and fluck everything they touch up because they haven't a clue (haven't been shown properly nor had the experience). Do they teach you how to install and terminate pyro on the Electrical Trainee course out of interest? Pyro is a dieing breed (unfortunatley) i will admit, but you still come across it in domestic properties - regularly. The Electrical Trainee course was designed for domestic only, so i'd expect them to teach it.

Now, this is honestly true and also very common now'a'days - got a call off a client, she had a shock off lamp when replacing it. Went round, simply change the L to the center contact and charged the client £30 for something as simple as that. She had apparantly just had the class2 (thankfully) light fitting installed by an 'electrician' so she wasn't very happy with my charge on top. Replacing a light, no cpc and there wasn't a sticker at the CU to say they can't change fittings to class 1. If the client had wanted a class1 fitting in the study, im sure whoever did it would of stuck it up anyway.

Now that scenario, is very common, and most on here will come across it on a regular basis. This is what infuriates us all, what i've wrote above is so basic that for someone to be flucking that up there has to be something sadly wrong somewhere, and that somewhere 9/10 is the Electrical Trainee shabbles.

If you take the Electrical Trainee course - which you have dave - get experience, and years of it working alongside someone and there wont be a problem.

 

[dave274]

I can't disagree with you mark, no we didn't touch pyro and we spent about an hour on terminating swa. I agree that some people struggle with even the most basic things but its not only Electrical Trainee that cut corners. Yes I did see pound signs and I was also sick of my job. I don't cut corners but I accept that I don't know everything. I've only been doing it for two years but I learn every day, I did the 2395 in order to increase my knowledge, please just don't tar us all with the same brush.

 

[markc123]

To be honest the Electrical Trainee is just an easy target.

Yes, there are probably electricians out there that cut corners - we all do, it's when you cut them and are contravening the regulations that becomes the problem - and i've not worked with a single spark, bar apprentices that have done something majorly wrong/naughty. And there are some Electrical Trainee - some of whom are on this site, who do very well for themselves.

The pyro comment was for my own benefit, i didn't know whether it was taught on the Electrical Trainee course but my incline was correct, it wasn't - which in my eyes is a shambles. An hour terminating SWA ouch - yes, it's not difficult but it definitley took me more than an hour to master it fluently.

You seem to have the correct attitude though, so fair play to you - like i've mentioned before, it's the ones who think they can take the world on straight away that give the Electrical Trainee course its reputation. Stick with it, get the experience and i wish you the best of luck for the future.

 

[Thomas123]

I can't disagree with you mark, no we didn't touch pyro and we spent about an hour on terminating swa. I agree that some people struggle with even the most basic things but its not only Electrical Trainee that cut corners. Yes I did see pound signs and I was also sick of my job. I don't cut corners but I accept that I don't know everything. I've only been doing it for two years but I learn every day, I did the 2395 in order to increase my knowledge, please just don't tar us all with the same brush.

You say your learning every day? So I'm hoping you are working along side a real electrician? If not, how the hell do you know right from wrong? You could just be getting better and faster at bodging stuff. Which is probably the case.

The quicker you lot are shipped out if the trade the better, the industry can then finally recover.

The Electrical Trainee I've come across are cocky know it alls, the one was on the 2391 course i did a few years back and he argued black and blue with the lecturer over every thing. He couldn't see why he could spur off a ring as many times as he wanted, he said the ring is wired in 2.5, so why can't I spur off to a load of sockets, it's the same size cable.

At that point most of us burst out laughing and the lecturer face palmed.

 

[dave274]

there were time served blokes on my 2395 that didn't know all sorts of stuff, there was a lad on here the other day that had done three years at college that had changed a cu without any testing before or after. just because the Electrical Trainee you encountered was a numpty doesn't mean we all are. I served eight years in the royal marines, to get in I did 30 weeks of training when I finished I was a soldier, my mate joined the army he did about six weeks training when he finished he was a soldier. now maybe he wasn't as well trained as me but he was still a proper soldier.

 

[KAS1]

It was obvious the direction this thread was going and how it would end..........Graded/time served V Electrical Trainee again ..............

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Hi, welcome to the forum.