I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of the schemes. The problem is how the criteria for admission to them is implemented, and, from what I can gather, how they deal with applicants who fall short and should not really be allowed in. I moved over to Stroma this year and to be honest the assessor (a contractor) was an idiot. We had quite a difference of opinion on many issues, and I was pretty close to booting him out at a couple of points. He went away with a couple of "non conformities" and I was fired up for defending my corner and having what I thought might be a barney with them, but nothing came of it and I was just sent all the documentation. Having said that, he did ask some fairly searching questions (as did my previous NAPIT guy), and I can' really see how someone with no previous electrical experience who has been on a 5 week course could possibly get through the assessment. Are these Electrical Trainee a reality or just a figment of some people's imagination? I can't imagine how anyone who does not have the knowledge or confidence to do the job properly could actually cut it out in the real world, but this might be just the way I try to approach things, I guess some people don't give a t**s? Most of my work is now obtained by word of mouth and repeat customers, I hardly advertise at all. Surely anyone who had only done a 5 week course would not survive??