Success! Meter fitted.

[Percyprod]

Just like to thank everyone for their help and advice re by previous post, but contrary to some opinions, man from supplier came to fit meter this morning, and of course it is fitted and all working. He tested it thoroughly (checked polarity with a neon tester at isolator) and fitted the meter. Asked him if he wanted to see wiring certificate and reply was "No, not for a stable". I kid you not! Just as an aside, horses are still alive, but before I retired I was sometimes given a job to connect a rewire, usually after a cut-out change or a service alteration. Companies rules were 'as you are not part p registered you cannot test the installation, so no certificate, no connection'. So if I'd been given this job when I was working I wouldn't have connected it! It's a funny old world. That was before I knew it didn't come under part p, but no more on that please!
Forgot photo of meter etc

 

[Octopus]

I've never seen a meter fitter or DNO worker ask for a cert on any job. Domestic, commercial, whatever. And that includes times when a specific written request has been sent from them to have an available copy of the certificate on or before connection.

I have. Around my patch are the old seeboard chaps - they have odd ideas to say the least.

 

[Taylortwocities]

I still don't see how that voltstick can indicate a neutral.

 

[telectrix]

Can you imagine, going int CEF and asking for a 1/4 million miles of 10mm Moon wire, and you wouldn't need an MET it would be changed to a MMT Main Mooning Terminal, and if Tel's prediction comes true about the IET and twin and earth, another set of regs on the way.

at least it'll be easy to install rods. we all know that the moon is made of cheese.

 

[Pete999]

I still don't see how that voltstick can indicate a neutral.

That's simple question to answer TTC it's a Gender Neutral volt stick, come on mate get with the program

 

[DPG]

I still don't see how that voltstick can indicate a neutral.

You've got 2 live conductors. Phase will illuminate it and neutral won't.

 

[Pete999]

You've got 2 live conductors. Phase will illuminate it and neutral won't.

Well if they are both Phase conductors????????

 

[Taylortwocities]

You've got 2 live conductors. Phase will illuminate it and neutral won't.

Not if neutral isn't a neutral.
E.g. Not connected or (worse) it's actually an earth fault. Then everything will look fine, until you test Ze.

 

[DPG]

I agree, but I thought the question was how to identify which was phase and which was neutral.

 

[Taylortwocities]

But Percyprod said that he used a voltstick

When working we used these to prove neutral, not live,

That cannot be true. Unless you are happy to make the assumption that any conductor must be neutral if it doesnt light up the voltstick.

Am I reading it wrong? Or has someone invented a "novoltstick" that only lights up when near a neutral?

 

[Pete999]

But Percyprod said that he used a voltstick

That cannot be true. Unless you are happy to make the assumption that any conductor must be neutral if it doesnt light up the voltstick.

Am I reading it wrong? Or has someone invented a "novoltstick" that only lights up when near a neutral?

I suppose he has a point, if it lights up it's a live phase conductor, SOOOOO the other cable Must be a neutral phase conductor, ergo the said voltstick has identified the Neutral, I think.

 

[DPG]

But Percyprod said that he used a voltstick

That cannot be true. Unless you are happy to make the assumption that any conductor must be neutral if it doesnt light up the voltstick.

Am I reading it wrong? Or has someone invented a "novoltstick" that only lights up when near a neutral?

He's just proving which is which as far as I can tell. Not testing it as such.

 

[DPG]

I suppose he has a point, if it lights up it's a live phase conductor, SOOOOO the other cable Must be a neutral phase conductor, ergo the said voltstick has identified the Neutral, I think.

That's how I read it yes.

 

[Percyprod]

Pete999 is right, you've already shown you have live and neutral with test lamps. Therefore the one that lights the volt stick is live. You also do a neutral loop test, which will be the same as ze on pme. If both conductors are live, then test lamps won't light, so treated as no supply or phase to neutral fault, either way next piece of equipment is JCB and a shovel.

 

[Taylortwocities]

You didn't mention the presence of test lamps until later.
In my opinion, if you have test lamps, you can only need the voltstick to determine which of the two conductors is the line.
But you said it was to tell you which one is NOT the line. Maybe my head is on backwards.
Luckily it is nearly beer o'clock.

 

[Pete999]

Pete999 is right, you've already shown you have live and neutral with test lamps. Therefore the one that lights the volt stick is live. You also do a neutral loop test, which will be the same as ze on pme. If both conductors are live, then test lamps won't light, so treated as no supply or phase to neutral fault, either way next piece of equipment is JCB and a shovel.

You didn't mention the presence of test lamps until later.
In my opinion, if you have test lamps, you can only need the voltstick to determine which of the two conductors is the line.
But you said it was to tell you which one is NOT the line. Maybe my head is on backwards.
Luckily it is nearly beer o'clock.

Mrs Pete999 where are my Co Codamol? my head hurts, 2 of them with a glass of red job done.