Sunderland

[Englishman]

They took their time, and may have been left with little choice after yesterday, but I still applaud the decision they took this morning to start the (hopefully) permanent professional football exile of that nonce case piece of ****. I hope he is hounded out of football upon his release from prison, just like rapist scum Ched Evans.

 

[hightower]

I agree that Sunderland have taken the right decision to terminate his contract after his plea of guilty, but I strongly feel that Sunderland have taken the right actions all along. You can't terminate a contract based on accusations. In this country you are innocent until proven (or plea) guilty. And Sunderland have upheld those values.

Anyone seen that Making a Murderer on Netflix yet? One of the best things I've watched in years, I was literally shouting at the TV at times. Well worth a watch for those with Netflix.

An off topic note, I'd hate to be single nowadays - I've been to local clubs and pubs and there are girls I know to be 14 and 15 out drinking, and they look nothing like the 14 or 15 they should look like. If 14 and 15 year olds can make themselves look old enough to not even trouble a sober doorman, then what chance does an unsuspecting young single lad have? I'm not using this to condone what Adam Johnson has done by any shape or form, just making a comment that it's not as simple as it was in the olden days and young lads have to be so careful.

 

[telectrix]

on the news this morning, he denies all charges. as said. innocent till proven guilty. what bugs me about all these cases, including alleged rapes, is that the accused is publicly named before trial and even if absolved from all guilt, his life is ruined by trial by media.

 

[hightower]

on the news this morning, he denies all charges. as said. innocent till proven guilty. what bugs me about all these cases, including alleged rapes, is that the accused is publicly named before trial and even if absolved from all guilt, his life is ruined by trial by media.

Tel I said the exact same thing when it came out last year. He could be as innocent as Mother Teresa but his life has been ruined by this coverage.

Not wanting to bang the drum about Making a Murderer, but the same thing happens - the media coverage accused the guy of being a murderer from day one, and it was impossible to find a jury that was impartial because of this.

 

[sean_ork]

That Netflix documentary was rather economical with the reality, the makers apparently ommited to mention a lot of evidence simply to make their program more entertaining.

There are sometimes reasons why releasing a suspects identity is beneficial to the prosecution, there's been many such cases recently.

 

[hightower]

There are sometimes reasons why releasing a suspects identity is beneficial to the prosecution, there's been many such cases recently.

Such as?

 

[Spoon]

There has been some cases of rape where one person coming forward has encouraged other people to come forward about that person.

 

[sean_ork]

Such as?

Talbot, Clifford, Righton, Napier, Alstron, Glitter, Harris, plus rather a lot of God bothering types ...... to name but a few

All started with a single historical accusation, supported by little "real" evidence, public awareness gave others the courage to come forward, the result being a solid case.


Whilst not proven let's not forget Saville, Cyril Smith ....

 

[sean_ork]

There has been some cases of rape where one person coming forward has encouraged other people to come forward about that person.

Not just rapes ....


It's a very fine line between encouraging real victims to come forward, and prompting the numerous band waggon jumpers, which has led to a number of cases fàiling.

 

[Spoon]

Not just rapes ....


It's a very fine line between encouraging real victims to come forward, and prompting the numerous band waggon jumpers, which has led to a number of cases fàiling.

I was just using rape as a reference... Yes not just rape.

This 'jumping on the band waggon' is a problem. Maybe harsher punishments for people wrongly accusing people of rape.

 

[sean_ork]

It's all over the media this morning that Sian Blake's partner has been arrested on reentry to the UK, paraded around in cuffs, there's been weeks of less than subttle hints at his guilt - without question his trial has been pre judged by many already, perhaps for some just subliminally.

 

[Spoon]

Its a shame that there isn't a genetic marker that gets added to your gene sequence if you rape someone. The we can just use biological weapons to get rid of the people. I presume that this is too harsh....
I might get a visit from the MI5 people now for mentioning 'biological weapons'...

 

[Englishman]

on the news this morning, he denies all charges. as said. innocent till proven guilty. what bugs me about all these cases, including alleged rapes, is that the accused is publicly named before trial and even if absolved from all guilt, his life is ruined by trial by media.

He denies two of the charges of sexual activity with a child. He's already gone guilty on one charge of grooming and one charge of sexual activity (a charge of kissing and touching) with a child.

 

[Spoon]

Some of the guys at work are talking about this. Isn't the lass 15? It's hard to tell the age of some girls. It would be interesting to see her facebook page, if she has one. See how old she looks on the pics there.
At the end of the day, if he knew she was 15 then he deserves whatever he gets.

 

[sean_ork]

At the end of the day, if he knew she was 15 then he deserves whatever he gets.

What would he deserve if he didn't know she was 15 ?