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[Spoon]

What would he deserve if he didn't know she was 15 ?

Its hard to prove he did know or he didn't know. If he truly didn't know then there should be no charge. Just my opinion.

 

[sean_ork]

If he truly didn't know then there should be no charge. Just my opinion.

Fortunatly pleading ignorance isnt a valid defence, for anything - not just my opionion

 

[Spoon]

Fortunatly pleading ignorance isnt a valid defence, for anything - not just my opionion

That is why I said its hard to prove either way. I agree, pleading ignorance isn't a valid defence. If the girl said she was 18 then that is a valid defence. I don't know the case, so it's hard to comment.

 

[hightower]

I agree with Spoon on this, and as I've said previously if a girl can fool a sober bouncer (and possibly bar staff) as to her real age, what chance does a drunk fella have? What's a guy supposed to do? Verify by means of ID a persons age? Should he take a photocopy of this ID and have it countersigned whilst he's on? I'm sensing a new money making scheme for nightclubs lol. If a girl says she's 18 and consents, and has also beaten system in terms of door security, then I'm left wondering what reasonable measures a young lad has when out on the pull.

However, it's a different matter if he's dropping her off at school the next day (not saying he did this, just saying that sort of thing would mean he knew her age).

 

[Barry White]

The grooming charge seems to point that she was known to him for some time or her family was. (Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions for child sexual abuse)

 

[Barry White]

She was just fifteen and had a crush on him deffo knew her age she told him on facebook

see Former Sunderland footballer Adam Johnson 'abused position in society' - BBC News

 

[hightower]

She was just fifteen and had a crush on him deffo knew her age she told him on facebook

see Former Sunderland footballer Adam Johnson 'abused position in society' - BBC News

I was speaking in general terms, not specifically about Johnson.

 

[Barry White]

I was speaking in general terms, not specifically about Johnson.

Totally agree with you hightower this was not a reply to you I was just updating the thread with facts as we had all been playing scenarios.

I had even liked your earlier post

 

[sean_ork]

If he'd been 16, 17 even 18 at a stretch pleading ignorance might have worked - but he's 28

The headline says it all, did the deed THEN checked if it was legal



Adam Johnson's online 'grooming messages that he sent to schoolgirl' revealed | Daily Mail Online

 

[IrishSpark]

Daily mirror has a list of some of the watsapp messages between the paedo and his victim. He knew full and well she had only just turned 15. Should be thrown into the wear wearing concrete boots!

 

[Englishman]

Fingers crossed for a guilty on the other two charges, what's been reported doesn't look like the greatest evidence but I suppose it depends what she says in court, if she says anything. He will almost certainly serve time though, and lose his career. And then hopefully be dealt with.

 

[sean_ork]

..... And then hopefully be dealt with.

In what way ?

 

[Englishman]

In what way ?

In a way that he would be if it was my my daughter... Would you let it slide?

 

[sean_ork]

In a way that he would be if it was my my daughter... Would you let it slide?

So you'd want some form of retribution to supliment whatever our legal system had deemed to fit his crime ?

 

[Englishman]

So you'd want some form of retribution to supliment whatever our legal system had deemed to fit his crime ?

Do you think that the sentences given out to child sex offenders are representative of the harm they cause to children, the trauma they cause to families, and the risk they pose to every child who happens to end up near them?