Supplemntary Bonding (lack Of) What Code?

[somersetsparks]

Hi all,
Been a while but I'm back with a question!
I have just started Testing using the New EICR format, Generally not to bad but I have a few gripes, one of them being supplementary bonding.
According to the 'Best Practise guide' Lack of a 30ma RCD or Supplementary bonding in a bathroom is now a code 2 meaning fail.

However if the installation was installed to the 14th edition, (pre supplementary bonding), how can this still be a c2?

NICEIC helpline were next to useless and told me that you have to test it to the regulations, however I have always been told you cannot apply regulkations retrospectively?

What would you put?

 

[i=p/u]

just decide, if its covered by a reg then code it

 

[Guest123]

The lack of both RCD protection & supplementary bonding could be seen as 'potentially dangerous' so yes a C2 on an EICR would be correct IMO.

 

[snookgs]

No RCD is code 4 does not comply ,bonding code 2 that's what i would put

 

[telectrix]

what's code 4? last year's PIR.

 

[Edd]

Doesnt the 0.05 Ohm between points come in here, if that tests out ok then bonding deemed not req,or not visible point me out if im barking up the wrong tree here

 

[Guest123]

Doesnt the 0.05 Ohm between points come in here, if that tests out ok then bonding deemed not req,or not visible point me out if im barking up the wrong tree here

Kind of on the right track, yes.

Essentially there are 3 conditions that must be met in order for supplementary bonding to be omitted.

701.415.2, (iv), (v) & (vi).

 

[somersetsparks]

I understand the conditions which need to be met to omit it, however if the installation dates to 14th edition territory, can it now be failed as it complied when installed?

I was always told regulations cannot be applied retrospectively?

 

[PC Electrics]

When you carry out an eicr, you are not applying the regulations. You are reporting on the condition of the installation against current regulations.

 

[somersetsparks]

I understand that, but can an installation which complied to a previous edition of the regulations now fail and EICR due to the regulations changing?

 

[Richard Burns]

For an EICR it is primarily a report to assess if the installation is safe for continued use without risk of shock, burns etc.
If an installation complied with an earlier edition of the regulations it does not necessarily mean it is not safe, however it also does not force it to be safe.
The current interpretation is that the risk of electric shock is higher in wet areas and this risk can be mitigated by the use of RCDs, ADS and main bonding or employing supplementary bonding. If there is no supplementary bonding or an RCD then there is an increased risk of electric shock in the case of a fault. So C2 potentially dangerous sounds applicable in this case.

 

[Farmelectrics]

If a installation was done after 2008 ie 17th edition rcd protection 10mm to water and gas 16mm main earth then no bonding is required am I right prior to 2008 bonding supplementary bonding is required and any installations that don't comply you code and report appropriately

 

[just add water sparks]

Is it correct to say this install is satisfactory and recorded as so (as at time of install it complied with current regs) but you add requires improvement. I understand it is not a legal requirement to upgrade though??? Anyone can confirm this is correct please.Thank you

 

[Farmelectrics]

Sounds correct to me and you covered yourself with it needs improvement comment on cert

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Times change.
What was considered safe in the 60s and 70s, is not neccessarily considered safe today.
When the 14th was current, baths were allowed in kitchens.
Yes it may be that at the time of construction, the installation complied with the Regulations.
However, I doubt very much that the installation has remained unchanged since it was constructed.
I also doubt that the fixtures and fittings in the building have remained unchanged.
Is there for instance a radiator in the bathroom, I doubt it was there at the time the installation was constructed.