switch wire????

[sparky1502]

hello...i dont really understand the switch wire it being a permant live ,in a domestic lighting circuit. can some one explain it please...many thanks...sorry if it sounds like a stupid question

 

[sparky1502]

yes thanks for the info i will be checking and re checking next time...

 

[johnnyb]

Now you see what 2391 does to ya Cant keep my mouth shut now.

Walked into a local estate agent touting for inspection work, and just inside the front door within arms reach is a 10way CU.........bottom half broken off and no cover on the Line busbar!!!!!

Yeh but what were the house prices up or down.

 

[sparky1502]

as for should i be working on electrics yet...we all got to start somewere i pulled the lighting circuit fuse out becuse the property was tenanted and the customers need the juice to be on i'm not a totally novice and i just follow what ive been shown..the spark who i was with never mentioned the neutral was fused and lookin at the board it was all over the place it had no earth in the property it was that old..the cable was a black colour looked like some sort of lead cable but thats a guess..it just perished in my hand...

i was working in a propery last week...a diyer had decided it would be fitting to wire his new shower to the back of a plug.....and the in his cu were the rewirable fuse was suppose to be a piece of copper pipe....what can u say to that....

 

[johnnyb]

Quite correct my mate, we have all had to start somewhere, and in some respects thats why forums like these can only be good for our trade, i wish we had em when i was starting out, save me a lot of mistakes, as 1 old spark i was apprentice to used to say a man who never made a mistake never made anything, remember that my pal its true.

 

[Graeme Harrold]

as for should i be working on electrics yet...we all got to start somewere i pulled the lighting circuit fuse out becuse the property was tenanted and the customers need the juice to be on i'm not a totally novice and i just follow what ive been shown..the spark who i was with never mentioned the neutral was fused and lookin at the board it was all over the place it had no earth in the property it was that old..the cable was a black colour looked like some sort of lead cable but thats a guess..it just perished in my hand...

i was working in a propery last week...a diyer had decided it would be fitting to wire his new shower to the back of a plug.....and the in his cu were the rewirable fuse was suppose to be a piece of copper pipe....what can u say to that....

Safe Isolation Guide

 

[sparky1502]

its hard enought getting on the job experince as it it...ive got to do my am2 as well so i dont mind screwing up aslong as i dont do it again... but a few of u said that some propertys borrow the neutral and some said it is fused in old properties and then someone said it should never be fused...well all i know is it had its own sperate neutral fuse and a phase one too...there are so mamy different was to wire propeties and different things that sparkys do (some crap ones to no doubt) sometimes i think that i'll never be qualified there is so much to get my head round...

 

[kung]

as for should i be working on electrics yet...we all got to start somewere i pulled the lighting circuit fuse out becuse the property was tenanted and the customers need the juice to be on i'm not a totally novice and i just follow what ive been shown..the spark who i was with never mentioned the neutral was fused and lookin at the board it was all over the place it had no earth in the property it was that old..the cable was a black colour looked like some sort of lead cable but thats a guess..it just perished in my hand...

i was working in a propery last week...a diyer had decided it would be fitting to wire his new shower to the back of a plug.....and the in his cu were the rewirable fuse was suppose to be a piece of copper pipe....what can u say to that....

and so did he pass the domestic installers assessment ?

 

[sparky1502]

im jacking it all in if he did.... he got a firm dressing down from our main spark who said " we should walk right off this site right now looking at the state of this work"

 

[Amp David]

One of the first things I had drummed into my head was safe isolation. Using a volt stick to check for a dead circuit-no chance

 

[sparky1502]

One of the first things I had drummed into my head was safe isolation. Using a volt stick to check for a dead circuit-no chance

someone just said vot sticks are crap...

 

[johnnyb]

In old properties years ago the local utilities did indeed used to fuse the neutrals as you have correctly pointed out, thats not unusual to see every now and again, usually means the utilities have never had a need to go near the property and change the cut out for a new one, or something like that perhaps.
You keep at it, rome wasn,t built in a day, and yeh theres alot to learn, i am still learning its an ever ongoing process in our game.

 

[kung]

Too true buddy ! talking of which whens the 18th bs7671 out ?

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Too true buddy ! talking of which whens the 18th bs7671 out ?

Put that big wooden spoon back in yer tool box...........

 

[aptsys]

...it confused me as to why the neutral would have to be fused as does not carry a load

Are you sure?

 

[puddle]

sounds like only lighting fuse pulled and crossed curcuit some were,surprise,surprise
Hard lesson to learn but hopefully it will have fast tracked you into the need to double check works isolation
You never should have but in this world of diy,in the domestic home, take nothing for granted
I would not say volte sticks are rubbish,they have a place,but with all these gadgets, check that infact they are working on alive section/cable first,do not just get out bag and test in see if your section is volte free and always use a multimeter were possible,especially when starting out