termination of swa in trucking

[Phillcbr400]

New to testing and inspecting so bare with me. Doing a EICR on an old building of ours. One supply to a sub dis board using 3core swa runs through metallic trunking, through a wall, onto tray then into the sub dis board.
The supply end of the armour has been terminated with a bs951 pipe clamp.
The armour isn't been used as the main cpc.
I've spoke with the boss who said this is ok because of the above. To me it's not correct and should be changed out for a gland. Which reg can I show him to back my argument up. I will be coding it a c3 anyway.
Thanks for any help.

 

[Engineer54]

It's not alright, BS 951 clamps are made for clamping onto pipework etc, not the Armouring of a SWA cable. The clamp will if doing it's job, will be crushing the armour into the cable!! The only acceptable method of terminating aSWA is via a purpose made gland, or a manufacturers purpose made clamping system (eg often seen on street lighting furniture)


So why was this SWA cable not glanded into the sub board when first installed??

 

[telectrix]

what he said^^^^^. and i'd give it a code C2. ask you boss if he'd take his dog for a walk with a length of earth sleeving round his neck. nope. he'd use a proper dog collar and lead.

 

[Robotstar5]

I found something similar last year, SWA correctly made off at the panel but when I followed it back it went into the open end of steel trunking then end stripped with no gland etc. and cores connected into DB!.
Nice little job for the apprentice to correct it.

 

[telectrix]

and going by the thread title, should you not be asking eddie stobart?

 

[Phillcbr400]

Haha that's auto correct for you. I totally agree with everything said above. But he's an hairy arse fitter not a spark so unless I produce it in black and white his mentality is "it's doing it's job so don't spend any time on it.
As for not being correctly terminated into the board in the first place, probably because it was easier to feed it through the existing trunking in that room. Laziness comes I mind.

 

[Simon-0116]

Proberly fitted years a go when they didnt fit earth tags. Come across this lots at one factory we go to, were armourings are main earth, earth clamps been added latter me thinks

 

[Phillcbr400]

This install is 5 years old hence the EICR

 

[netblindpaul]

Now blow me down with a feather but, I thought that it was necessary for people doing EICR's to have above average competence and be familiar with the installation methods that they are inspecting.
So, it looks like another company sending a poor soul out to do a job and expecting them to do something that the company has not adequately trained them and equipped them to do?...
No wonder the industry is goosed.

OP, not a dig at you, but, you should know and understand this you should not be having to ask, your company should have equipped you with the competence to know this.

This seems typical of the depths this trade/industry as plummeted.
Appalling, putting a poor soul out to do work that they have not been trained and are experienced and competent to do, but, I guess that is why these companies get away with paying peanuts.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Now blow me down with a feather but, I thought that it was necessary for people doing EICR's to have above average competence and be familiar with the installation methods that they are inspecting.
So, it looks like another company sending a poor soul out to do a job and expecting them to do something that the company has not adequately trained them and equipped them to do?...
No wonder the industry is goosed.

OP, not a dig at you, but, you should know and understand this you should not be having to ask, your company should have equipped you with the competence to know this.

This seems typical of the depths this trade/industry as plummeted.
Appalling, putting a poor soul out to do work that they have not been trained and are experienced and competent to do, but, I guess that is why these companies get away with paying peanuts.

Ordinarily I would agree, but as in this instance the OP has identified an issue and suggested a code to be applied your assessment would seem a tad harsh.

 

[JD6400]

As Wirepuller says , at least the op knows that things are not right

 

[netblindpaul]

I'm not assessing the OP, I'm assessing the FACT that by the nature of the OP's post his employer has not fully equipped him to do the job, that is unfair on him, because if it all goes pear shaped, his employer will be pointing the finger directly at him, no holds barred.
That is unfair.
IF you READ my post you will see that is what has been written.
If the OP had been fairly and adequately prepared for the job by his employer, then he would not have needed to make this post.
He is being taken advantage of, and, will be the one made the scapegoat if things go wrong.
Unless that is, he has not been truthful in gaining his employment, but why would that be the case?

 

[JD6400]

I felt that the first two lines imply that the op is not up to it . I do agree that he should be able to find the reg without having to ask , but this may be the case and he is just using this to start a topic off .
It is however undeniable that this industry is all but fercked beyond repair !

 

[Phillcbr400]

Finding the reg is my problem, yes I'll agree with that hence my post. Could I find it if given enough time, yes. Did I not identify the fault and assess the installation properly? Yes in my eyes. As for more or less calling me incompetent that's not the case. Am I still learning? yes. I am new to inspection and testing. Has your post helped in anyway, no. So maybe if the experienced spent more time helping people willing to learn instead of putting the world to rights, the industry wouldn't be in such a state.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Finding the reg is my problem, yes I'll agree with that hence my post. Could I find it if given enough time, yes. Did I not identify the fault and assess the installation properly? Yes in my eyes. As for more or less calling me incompetent that's not the case. Am I still learning? yes. I am new to inspection and testing. Has your post helped in anyway, no. So maybe if the experienced spent more time helping people willing to learn instead of putting the world to rights, the industry wouldn't be in such a state.

There isnt a specific regulation as such,but bs 7671 specifies that correct materials in accordance with manufacturers instructions and good workmanship shall be used....(134.1.1)
Bs 951 clamps are not designed for SWA and therefore dont meet the requirements.