Testing somebody elses work

[leep82]

As the title suggests this is somthing that i have recieved a phone call about today. Basically the customer has had ' a friend ' to install a double socket for them. The property is council let, and the local council are now asking that the work be certified. Ive got no idea what the installation is like as i havnt visited the property yet. Dont really like to turn work down especially being new to self employment. Im not part of any scheme but am registered with the LABC as a competant person. Is this somthing you would recommend i steer clear of? As far as the testing is concerned should i be looking at a condition report rather than a minor works, as i havnt installed anything myself. Although i have my 2391, condition reports are somthing i dont have a great deal of experience with. Can i just do a condition report for the work/circuit worked on?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What type of circuit is the spur taken from?
What type of cable has been used for the spur?
How is the spur connected to the circuit?
Has the cable been run through any joists?
Are the test results satisfactory?

 

[leep82]

What type of circuit is the spur taken from?
What type of cable has been used for the spur?
How is the spur connected to the circuit?
Has the cable been run through any joists?
Are the test results satisfactory?

2.5 mm2 twin & earth and thats all i know without taking floor boards up. No test results hence why i have been called in. I found out after visiting the property that it was actually the local council who gave the tenant my number.

 

[Wilko]

Oh dear, and an inaccessible junction

 

[The Ghost]

Given the revelation in #11 ?

As you may know it is a standard disclaimer on the EICR (Section D Pg 424 BYB) under floor boards are not included. Relevant tests etc. Yep even with revelations and jubilations. And tbh, if I had any misgivings I would take the floorbords up just to satisfy myself.

 

[Octopus]

As you may know it is a standard disclaimer on the EICR (Section D Pg 424 BYB) under floor boards are not included. Relevant tests etc. Yep even with revelations and jubilations. And tbh, if I had any misgivings I would take the floorboards up just to satisfy myself.

If you were charging to inspect a spur and you can't find the connection to the ring,then surely you would have no choice but to lift the boards to find the connection.....

 

[telectrix]

If you were charging to inspect a spur and you can't find the connection to the ring,then surely you would have no choice but to lift the boards to find the connection.....

to find a 1950's junction box with chewed screw heads and cpc's unsleeved and twisted together outside the JB.

 

[The Ghost]

find the connection...

No problemo!

 

[DPG]

I'd put a fiver on it not being an MF junction box.

 

[Wilko]

I'd put a fiver on it not being an MF junction box.

Only a fiver ?
London to a brick I'd reckon

 

[HandySparks]

anyway if You are registered with NICEIC or NAPIT as a THIRD PARTY CERTIFIER , You can basically commissioning somebody elses works

Have NICEIC now started registering contractors for third party certification? They were dead against it last time I heard.

 

[SparkyChick]

anyway if You are registered with NICEIC or NAPIT as a THIRD PARTY CERTIFIER , You can basically commissioning somebody elses works

I think that depends on what you mean by commissioning, because to me that means rocking up when it's all installed, test it and sign the cert, and that's not what the process is.

 

[Octopus]

to find a 1950's junction box with chewed screw heads and cpc's unsleeved and twisted together outside the JB.

Or when Kev the kitchen fitter mentions he's just covered up and blanking plate I decided I needed to look inside it, so I lent him my Bosch GOP cutter to cut access though the back panel of the kitchen unit.... removed the cover and found this:



Now bear in mind there are 4 cables in there ... 2 old and 2 newer - a couple of snips showed that the ring had been split - 1 leg went about 300mm to a taped off end and the other goes - well anyone's guess!

So for the time being wagos used to reconnect the ring ... and the 3rd cable left disconnected!

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[Octopus]

Then on the other side of the kitchen, again, concealed by a new cupboard, and behind a single socket I found this:

Yes , that's 4 cables just twisted together and taped over.....



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How do you delete photo's - don't need this one below...

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[Deleted member 26818]

2.5 mm2 twin & earth and thats all i know without taking floor boards up. No test results hence why i have been called in. I found out after visiting the property that it was actually the local council who gave the tenant my number.

So you know that the cable used is not an old length of bell wire or speaker cable.
Now you need to speak to Matey who installed the spur to find out where and how the cable is connected to the circuit.
Matey can also tell you if the cable passes through any joists.