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oldtimer
Got a job a year ago when the PIR highlighted that the baynot cap fitting was broken fine then a year later highlighted there was no earthing to the gas and water ? ? ? So I found out that they were doing a rolling PIR ie 20% a year only problem is this is meant for an industrial and commercial environment not a domestic seems they make up the rules as they go along and there was no PIR sticker
I recently went back to a school I had tested for years, they decided to go with a cheaper 60p company that approached them (although I offered a competative price) they finished the school in 2 days 8.30 - 4.30 and tested over 700 items, 1 man. I was back just to test the items they would not test as they are at height and they couldnt do it (no risk assessment for working at height and no 3 pin 16amp leads to test the equipment). Well I did my calculations and they would have had to test 1 peice of equipment every
1min 15secs!
I have been doing this for years and always work to a high standard and I can only do a max of 210 if I arrive early, work later and it includes a large it siute, and feel knacked afterwards. I couldnt do this on a daily basis so god knows how they can do 350 a day. They are obviously another company that just goes round putting stickers on with no formal visual inspection. It really upsets me that they can do this in schools, I like to go home at the end of the day knowing I did a great job and made it a safer place to work for everyone.:cheesy:
1min 15secs!
I have been doing this for years and always work to a high standard and I can only do a max of 210 if I arrive early, work later and it includes a large it siute, and feel knacked afterwards. I couldnt do this on a daily basis so god knows how they can do 350 a day. They are obviously another company that just goes round putting stickers on with no formal visual inspection. It really upsets me that they can do this in schools, I like to go home at the end of the day knowing I did a great job and made it a safer place to work for everyone.:cheesy:
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RISElectrical
I have been told (by a spark that in general opinion is highly rated) that with the new seward tester he has that he is averaging 600 a day, working 8-4 in offices etc. Bluetooth printer clipped to belt, and he says the tester will test an appliance in 10 seconds max.
food for thought
food for thought
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Silly Sausage
Heehee...Respect, that just about beats my all time daily record.
He must be awesomely fast at opening & closing plug tops.
and have lightningly fast fingers to input the data!
It's the one job that I'll never do again.
He must be awesomely fast at opening & closing plug tops.
and have lightningly fast fingers to input the data!
It's the one job that I'll never do again.
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RISElectrical
By all account the tester has most items pre programmed in, press ac on the keypad and it come up with ac adaptor and remembers your last used location, for example office.
if.... and it is an if... what he says is true then 8 hours less lunch and breaks is 7 hours = 420 minutes. 600 tests at 10 seconds a test = 100 minutes leaving 320 minutes to unplug and plug back in appliances and check fuses.
This equates to approx 30 seconds to unplug, check fuse, plug back in again and attach pre printed sticker.
Now looking at this it could be possible however in a 7 hour working day it would be too much i think. he is probably under estimating how much he does or how long he works.
600 x 70p = 420 a day
600 x 80p = 480 a day
600 x £1 = £600 a day
and so on. personally i would work a 10 hour day for £600 thank you please.
if.... and it is an if... what he says is true then 8 hours less lunch and breaks is 7 hours = 420 minutes. 600 tests at 10 seconds a test = 100 minutes leaving 320 minutes to unplug and plug back in appliances and check fuses.
This equates to approx 30 seconds to unplug, check fuse, plug back in again and attach pre printed sticker.
Now looking at this it could be possible however in a 7 hour working day it would be too much i think. he is probably under estimating how much he does or how long he works.
600 x 70p = 420 a day
600 x 80p = 480 a day
600 x £1 = £600 a day
and so on. personally i would work a 10 hour day for £600 thank you please.
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Silly Sausage
Now that would be quite handy.
Assuming all the items are already tested with a scan code label which matches the items on his machine, we're in appliance testing heaven.
I suppose he can get a perfect earth probe contact, in millisecs, on every class I item as well?!?
At least 50% of the items I've ever done, would fail on 1st contact!
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Engineer54
Yeah, and the Moon is made of Cheese!! Just another Rhinestone ''PASSING'' Cowboy!! lol!!:cheesy:
Does that 10 seconds include the load test as well?? lol!!
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I can well imagine myself doing pat testing for a living
Test items 1+2+3 in the first half hour then out for a smoke break
Test items 4+5+6, then the boredom means yet another smoke break
By then with a bit of luck, it should be time for the scheduled smoke break
The problem I see with pat testing and getting the quantities out is this draconian no smoking ban
Test items 1+2+3 in the first half hour then out for a smoke break
Test items 4+5+6, then the boredom means yet another smoke break
By then with a bit of luck, it should be time for the scheduled smoke break
The problem I see with pat testing and getting the quantities out is this draconian no smoking ban
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theroadblock
haha my boss would have a field day with you guys posting 'PAT testing' hes an old grump and would bring you up on you calling it 'portable appliance testing testing' haha!
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Silly Sausage
Actually...In Service Inspection & Testing of Electrical Equipment
When I see claims like this I do wonder about the quality of the end product and if the results could be relied on if something happened resulting in a visit to court then people would see how highly rated he is by the judge
No matter how it's dressed up it's still only 40ish seconds per appliance. No allowance made for moving between rooms or crawling under desks and there is no way you can input the info into the tester and do the test in 10 seconds even if you skip some of the tests
The description sounds very much like the Seaward Primetest 300 that I use for the local schools. Auto increment number, auto spell description, blutooth printer etc etc. 10 seconds is utter rubbish. It takes nearly 5 seconds to send the label info from the tester to the printer, 10 seconds if you want a bar code. A good visual inspection should take longer than the electrical testing anyway.
My absolute all time best was 320 appliances in one 8.5 hour day, no breaks, 10 mins for lunch and shattered by the end. It was a whole line of IT suites with 80 appliances in each though. Lucrative week that.
I'll bet all cheap portable appliance testing companies never give a thought to the fixed appliances they are supposed to test at the same time............. let alone microwave leakage testing.
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RISElectrical
All i was doing was passing on the info that somebody gave to me regards what "he" does in a day. personally we charge £1.90 per test minimum and our PAT bloke will do 100 a day.
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Deleted member 9648
Thought I'd ressurect this thread as I'm back in the same school (repairing lights) and the PAS (portable appliance stickering) boys are in again. I have covered the company name in the pics for legal reasons but suffice to say they are a National Testing Service.
This appliance was 'tested' yesterday.....the guys are on site 6hrs a day and are stickering 300 per man per day.
I also noted that this particular pile of power supplies also had plugs with unsleeved pins on several units,which are used by the pupils.
This appliance was 'tested' yesterday.....the guys are on site 6hrs a day and are stickering 300 per man per day.
I also noted that this particular pile of power supplies also had plugs with unsleeved pins on several units,which are used by the pupils.
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Badged01
Unfortunately until we can get the client out of the mentality that cheapest is best value for money this will always be a problem. Like with EICR's, they just want the piece of paper to shift risk to whoever has done it .....
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Unregistered
Flag it up with the powers that be and drop them in the sht
What powers to be? PAT testing doesnot have a scam who regulates it unlike the scams for Part P.
By 'the powers that be' I meant the school, usually head of maintenance who would of given them the contract in the first place. The schools I work at are very hot on electrical safety and would jump on the company if they had charged for non existant testing.
I personally tell people they will definitely find someone cheaper than me right from the off, it will be my usual hourly rate, take it or leave it. I don't do a per item price, BUT I will change fuses, repair what can be repaired etc as I go along. Most go with this, they don't want a stack of failed stuff at the end of the day.
I can do between 50 and 80 items a day depending on what's being tested. If someone is doing 300 they ain't doing them properly! I doubt my tester could do 300 in 8hrs if it was testing continuously!
I can do between 50 and 80 items a day depending on what's being tested. If someone is doing 300 they ain't doing them properly! I doubt my tester could do 300 in 8hrs if it was testing continuously!
I work with a company and we get a lot of PAT contracts, what I see from some company's is a joke and laughable . Was finishing a large site the other day that has taken a month to complete and was told I'm not as fast as thr guys they had last year. But they asked what I was doing when I was opening plugs, checking terminations fuse ratings etc as the others so called "engineers" didn't do that at all.
I found old appliances that had been tested by this other firm for the past 3 years with the cardboard on the plug from a new purchase... never taken off, uninsulated pinned plugs not changed and just passed etc, it was pardon the pun shocking at the standard I was seeing.
The H&S contact was in shock when I went to him at the end of the job saying, well me and my colleagues have finished....... We have changed 456 fuses to the correct rating, done 100 plug changes and 120 plug refits.....and failed 45 items..... he couldn't believe it as the other company had passed everything every year without any problem..
The thing is PAT testing isn't the most complex work in the world so there are so many cowboys out that just go around and sticker everything and don't even test properly......making a joke out of the people who do it properly and take it as a serious job/ contract
I found old appliances that had been tested by this other firm for the past 3 years with the cardboard on the plug from a new purchase... never taken off, uninsulated pinned plugs not changed and just passed etc, it was pardon the pun shocking at the standard I was seeing.
The H&S contact was in shock when I went to him at the end of the job saying, well me and my colleagues have finished....... We have changed 456 fuses to the correct rating, done 100 plug changes and 120 plug refits.....and failed 45 items..... he couldn't believe it as the other company had passed everything every year without any problem..
The thing is PAT testing isn't the most complex work in the world so there are so many cowboys out that just go around and sticker everything and don't even test properly......making a joke out of the people who do it properly and take it as a serious job/ contract
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Geordie Spark
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I also work for a firm that gets a lot of large PAT contracts, and we take PAT testing as serious and professinally as EICR and PIR work. Every time I go on a PAT job I'm instantly thought also of having the easy job of the day etc. Our company also carry out quality checks on myself and fellow employees. They go to random jobs you have done and check the quality of the work and give a fully quality assessment. I have seen one of the supervisors go ballistic because someone who was employed didn't carry out a fully visual of the cable of 10m extension reel, he told this other emplpyee to the job properly or not at all.
It does annoy me when I meet people who say all PAT testers are cowboys when a lot of them do the job properly and professionally well the ones I have worked with anyway.
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Whilst such plugs may not be reused, existing ones do not need to be taken out of service. See the Code of Practice.
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kenuk
Indeed, but if you care about customer safety surely they really should be - I could not sleep at night knowing I left a known risk.
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