The Ring is dead, long live the Radial!⚡

[Scolmore]

The Ring is dead, long live the Radial!
When wiring socket outlets do you:
1. Use ring final circuits
2. Use radial circuits

 

[Vortigern]

And anyway doing Radials for sockets is a pain in the ar**. When you try to do two 4mm² into a stinky LAP socket! Or even worse when you have to try three, argghhhh! Even with 2.5mm² it can be a problem. Then when you attend a fault situation, you gingerly remove the socket with three 4mm² in and they pop out and you have to get them back in. This is why we don't pull things apart on an EICR, you could make the installation worse.
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so not just the English who like RFC

Sorry I thought with all the devolvement going on it would not be good to be colonial and speak for others. However I stand corrected and united we stand then

 

[Grant1987]

And anyway doing Radials for sockets is a pain in the ar**. When you try to do two 4mm² into a stinky LAP socket! Or even worse when you have to try three, argghhhh! Even with 2.5mm² it can be a problem. Then when you attend a fault situation, you gingerly remove the socket with three 4mm² in and they pop out and you have to get them back in. This is why we don't pull things apart on an EICR, you could make the installation worse.
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Sorry I thought with all the devolvement going on it would not be good to be colonial and speak for others. However I stand corrected and united we stand then

Haha good answer well I know one thing for sure that us welsh as much as we have a love/hate relationship with England we will always have each others back in time of need apart from when it comes to rugby ?
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Haha good answer well I know one thing for sure that us welsh as much as we have a love/hate relationship with England we will always have each others back in time of need apart from when it comes to rugby ?

Looking forward to the autumn internationals

 

[Vortigern]

There is no possibility of the circuit been overloaded

Hence the omission of OCPD???? Of course nobody uses extension leads in Ireland?

 

[Mike Johnson]

The Radial and FRC (why) debate will always go on whilst T&E is still being produced if at some point that ceases to be the case I think the RFC will go it's natural course.

 

[nicebutdim]

The Radial and FRC (why) debate will always go on whilst T&E is still being produced if at some point that ceases to be the case I think the RFC will go it's natural course.

I'm not quite grasping your point about T&E, considering its widespread use in Ireland and the UK's widespread use of RFCs that run through conduit in singles.

 

[static zap]

I'm sure British "Mathematicians" that helped Blighty
win the war would also enjoy the simplicity
of verifying a GOOD RFC with the figure of 8 test ..
(God forbid it reveal quality issues with switched parts )

 

[Grant1987]

The Radial and FRC (why) debate will always go on whilst T&E is still being produced if at some point that ceases to be the case I think the RFC will go it's natural course.

Long live the ring

 

[Vortigern]

RFC will go it's natural course

And what may that be, if I might enquire?
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So what tests do you do on a radial in those places that only do radials. Especially dead tests and live tests?

 

[ipf]

Personally rfc is fab when you put it in and do the tests,
I get a strange warm feeling when the maths work out perfectly. Us English eh!

After so long installing and testing them, I think it's a case of 'bleedin' boiling feeling' if they don't!!

 

[Mike Johnson]

And what may that be, if I might enquire?
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So what tests do you do on a radial in those places that only do radials. Especially dead tests and live tests?

You know the answer to that already

All the normal tests.

 

[cliffed]

Ring main’s will go on,but realistically the radial should be the new answer.
Yes it’s a problem the actual loading ,but the Kitchen & Utility areas would need the most radials.
You look @ the norm 3 bed house it becomes logically to run maybe 2 radials for upstairs,& maybe 2 for downstairs.
Thats makes approx 7-8 radials.Easy .....

 

[davesparks]

The Radial and FRC (why) debate will always go on whilst T&E is still being produced if at some point that ceases to be the case I think the RFC will go it's natural course.

What is the link between rings and T&E?
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Ring main’s will go on,but realistically the radial should be the new answer.
Yes it’s a problem the actual loading ,but the Kitchen & Utility areas would need the most radials.
You look @ the norm 3 bed house it becomes logically to run maybe 2 radials for upstairs,& maybe 2 for downstairs.
Thats makes approx 7-8 radials.Easy .....

Why is the loading a problem? Radials can have the exact same current rating as a ring.

How is that logical for a 3 bed house when a ring upstairs and a ring downstairs would do the job in 2 circuits?

 

[7029 dave]

"spurs off a ring are the devil, s work" is a comment I would regard as "throwaway" in most cases, but your comments are much too measured and considered for me to take it lightly in your case. Do you really feel so strongly? (I agree by the way but would, nt use the same language). Or have you been swayed by John Ward who used the phrase "devil's work" in relation to ring circuits.
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Agreed. I often remind customers that when testing we do not have a "crystal ball" and that our meters are limited in what they can tell us. I maintain that the "visual test" is still the single most important o E we carry out

IMO its 80% using your eyes.

 

[Vortigern]

You know the answer to that already

Eh? I do? Mhmm wonder why I asked! Do you mean it will continue as it always did, or are you suggesting it will eventually fall into disuse, in your opinion?

 

[Mike Johnson]

IMO you are just playing a silly game and trying to start an argument, it is impossible to have a serious discussion about Radials and Ring Mains it seems to be an emotive subject that people will answer with smart answers to try and draw you into a trap.