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Ok I still have an electrical problem I need assistance with.

This thread has been closed twice due to trolling, but as this is a potentially dangerous situation I would like the forums help.

Mods: if someone tries to troll this thread again, please just give them a slap and stop closing the dam thread!!!!


Parents live in an old farm house with a few conversions, due to this there are lots of overlapping electrics.

The current point of contention is an SWA feed.

This feeds 3 sockets in the kitchen (3/5 counter level sockets on one wall).
Why these are fed separately is beyond me, but irrelevant.

The SWA is 2 core, and although the SW is now glanded with an earth tab, there is no connection from this earth tab to the bar.

There is no apparent dedicated CPC for this circuit. I originally assumed that it passed on Zs due to parallel connections.

However last weekend I brought my multimeter over (could not bring the fluke for a Zs, long story).

I cont checked the earth pins from 2 adjacent sockets (but on different circuits).
I assumed I would get a reading of almost 0 as was expecting a borrowed earth.

What I got was a reading of over 1000Ohm.


To me this seems to indicate that there is no earth connection at all!

The house is on TN-C. Which frankly I know nothing at all about, it is on my to learn list =-)


Have sent the spark an e-mail, he says it is safe, any further question e-mail again. Have done to no response.

So to be clear I am not complaining about the lack of dedicated earth (parents house, their call), I am worried there is no earth connection.

Parents believe their spark, so do not want me messing around with stuff and doing tests that might knock the power off (parents house, their call, no matter how much it makes we want to scream)


So what on earth am I overlooking, or is there no E?
 
Sorry to say here but this thread and the closed threads contain the repeated advise that you should be taking, its the advice you keep ignoring, in no sense is this trolling this thread as its coming from guys with combined experience into the hundreds of yrs (half of this total is down to one elder member ;)) Shhh!, You have the details of the electrician, check his NICEIC registration is not a forgery, pay for and get an independant electrician to do an assessment - at the end of the day its potentially lethal so what a few hundred quid when its your families safety, yes some parents are stubborn but tell them its your mate and hes looking at it for free... im sure you could sort it somehow!
 
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Hi,

Dan here I own the forum. Jason and the moderators do a good job keeping 50,000 member accounts in good stead. Don't try to tell them how to run the forum, they know well enough already.

I would suggest you get an independent report and fix the issues that the report points out. if you're not happy with your electrician, get another one. If you're not happy with the report, get another one.

But don't keep repeating your threads in the forums it's just annoying, and people have had their say a couple of times now it seems.

IMO you need to speak to the electrician ASAP as you'll just annoy him if you print off a huge thread and keep asking questions about what's been said in a thread. You need to be both sitting in front of the issues and not on a forum to get the job done if it's been going on for so long. Give the bloke a chance to sort it or at least give his views on it etc
 
Mods: if someone tries to troll this thread again, please just give them a slap and stop closing the dam thread!!!!

With comments like this, in bold you're likely to get banned and IMHO you'll deserve it.

Many people have said the same and get a decent sparky in to give their opinion first hand, no matter of how many threads you post you won't get an answer as the only way to do this is to visit, inspect and test.
 
What skill or training have you undertook in order to test and inspect this work,it seems to me that you are not competent to test and inspect,you should refrain from stripping down an installation especially where you have concerns regarding its safety

Dan and darkwood have given you good advise,you would be wise to follow it
 
Ok I still have an electrical problem I need assistance with.

This thread has been closed twice due to trolling, but as this is a potentially dangerous situation I would like the forums help.

Mods: if someone tries to troll this thread again, please just give them a slap and stop closing the dam thread!!!!


Parents live in an old farm house with a few conversions, due to this there are lots of overlapping electrics.

The current point of contention is an SWA feed.

This feeds 3 sockets in the kitchen (3/5 counter level sockets on one wall).
Why these are fed separately is beyond me, but irrelevant.

The SWA is 2 core, and although the SW is now glanded with an earth tab, there is no connection from this earth tab to the bar.

There is no apparent dedicated CPC for this circuit. I originally assumed that it passed on Zs due to parallel connections.

However last weekend I brought my multimeter over (could not bring the fluke for a Zs, long story).

I cont checked the earth pins from 2 adjacent sockets (but on different circuits).
I assumed I would get a reading of almost 0 as was expecting a borrowed earth.

What I got was a reading of over 1000Ohm.


To me this seems to indicate that there is no earth connection at all!

The house is on TN-C. Which frankly I know nothing at all about, it is on my to learn list =-)


Have sent the spark an e-mail, he says it is safe, any further question e-mail again. Have done to no response.

So to be clear I am not complaining about the lack of dedicated earth (parents house, their call), I am worried there is no earth connection.

Parents believe their spark, so do not want me messing around with stuff and doing tests that might knock the power off (parents house, their call, no matter how much it makes we want to scream)


So what on earth am I overlooking, or is there no E?

I aknowledg what you are saying but my oppinion is your parents may have supplied the cable to a spark thats why its 2 core seems they have insisted he use that, also it would be a radial circuit which there nowt wrong with that.
you mention overlapping electrics this is down to your parents having works done on the cheap over the years, i cant vouch for the missing banjo hence no earth connection but i am wondering why you have seen fit to start inspecting the sparkys work as it seems out of character.
you have posted a problem on this forum for help and some advice, you need to take responses in a constructive manner as you will get lots of different oppinions. ie some slating the sparky and some thinking what was he up against, maybe a polite email and phonecall to the sparky might get him to pop back.
hope this helps
 
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I can't really understand what's really going on here are you reluctant to ask the installer questions or is he reluctant to answer them?
I always encourage clients, if they have any doubts, to contact me with them first. Within reason I'm usually happy to put aside half an hour or so to nip round on my way home to explain things
 
My parents wouldn't even have found themselves in such a position. Either my brother or myself would sort it between us.

Not that we always agreed. Two industrials doing domestic, not a good mix at the best of times.
 
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