To be fully qualified.....

[Nifty]

Hi all

I passed my year one of c&g 2330 and just about to start my year 2 (part 2) am I right in thinking once I pass year 2 I will be a qualified electrician?

What is the improver course? (year 3)

Also if I am wrong could you someone tell me what else I need to do to become qualified.....qualified as in either working for myself - rewiring a whole house or working for a company which will send me out on jobs to rewire a house.

Regards
Nifty

 

[rmc86uk]

Don't know anything about the sole trader or domestic installer schemes.

If you plan to work on sites then to become a JIB graded Electrician you will need the 2330 levels 2 and 3, 17th edition and NVQ Level 3 which you will need to be working in the trade to complete.

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[Deleted member 26818]

If the 2330 is done to the 17th, will a separate 17th qualification be required?
I know someone who did their 2391, and when they updated their JIB card, it came back with the 17th on it, even though they haven't done the 2382.

 

[Nifty]

which you will need to be working in the trade to complete.

This is the dilemma I have now as im in full time work (nothing to do with electrics) so how will I complete if im not working in the trade?

I feel I might be in for a lot of hard work this year getting through my level 2 then level 3 the following year only to be told I cant complete and become a qualified sparky as im not working in the trade???

Nifty

 

[rmc86uk]

Spinlondon

Not sure, I thought you would have needed the the regs cert. How would you prove that you have done it to 17th edition wiring regs because some people have done courses such as 2330 to the 16th.

Nifty

It depends on what type of work you want to go into. The course you are enrolled on is the best one to learn theory and basic practical side of it all.

All I can say is you should start applying for trainee or labourer positions to try and work alongside you being at college. As you may have read the industry is very hard at the moment but keep on with everything your doing and good luck.

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[Nifty]

All I can say is you should start applying for trainee or labourer positions to try and work alongside you being at college.

Thanks rcm

That would be ideal if I was in my late teens or early twenty's but when I have a full time job and a mortgage ect its not as easy as that, to take a trainee's wage now woud mean starting from scratch..

My plan was a total change of career without the trainee/apprentiship. maybe a job with the council/ street lights or maybe alarm systems or electric doors.

hmmm I seriously need a hard think before I start a whole new year studying.....this week!

Nifty

 

[Risteard]

If the 2330 is done to the 17th, will a separate 17th qualification be required?

In a word, no. I never took the 2381 and yet my old JIB card listed "IEE Wiring Regulations, 16th Edition".

 

[OllieNotts]

This surely is stuff you should of asked before even starting college?
A qualified spark after 6 hours a week in a class room? Is this a wind up?
I don't think it's easy changing careers at any time in life, especially with the uk on it's knees the way it is. Why not try to shadow a local spark in your spare time to get some experience while you're at college? I only started my level 2 this week but I'm just repeating what the lads on here say daily to folk like you and me who are wanting to join the trade. It's not gonna be easy but if you want it enough you'll have to make sacrifices and like us 'hope for the best' at the end of it.

 

[Nifty]

HI OllieI wish I had the time to shadow a sparky...I undertand what your saying and I did ask questions but I got the impression I just had to complete year 1 and 2 to be a qualified electrician and then if I wanted to work on my own I would have to do the improver course which would be year 3.I didn't know anything about the nvq.Nifty

 

[OllieNotts]

Sounds like you've been told similar to me. I've been told that 'passing level 2 & 3 means you're a qualified soark' on paper at least. Not sure how good your chances if getting work out of it are though within the current climate. An approved electrician is one who does the nvq and gets the JIB status but if you don't want to do site work and stick to domestic I've been led to believe you can go work for yourself as a spark. Now wether you would or not without having relevant experience is obviously up to you. You can join a scheme and prove your competence which means you can sign work off to so I guess the answer is yes you'll be an electrician but I don't think I would call myself that until I have JIB or experience. I could be wrong but it's how it's been told to me. You'd have to stay on the domestic side though.

 

[Nifty]

HI Ollie,I've just got of the phone to my college as I was on the verge of quitting the course so my questions were....what do I need to become a qualified electrician and they said year 1 & 2 level 2 and then your 3rd year level 3 then your 17th edition.I mentioned the nvq and told him I'm worried I would need to quit my job. the tutor said the 2330 course I'm doing does away with the nvq.I know what your saying about getting experience......my reason for doing the course is a back up in case anything happens to the job I'm in at the moment..........sorry if this is all jumbled up but It's a reply from a phone.Regards Nifty

 

[Risteard]

the tutor said the 2330 course I'm doing does away with the nvq.

Nonsense. The NVQ requires the technical certificate and is not replaced by it.

 

[Nifty]

I'm hoping then he means the NVQ is built into my 2330 course So there is no need to do it separately.

 

[JUD]

As far as I know the 2357 will replace the 2330 and will include the old 2356 (NVQ) all in one course, but as already stated you will need to be working in the trade to complete it.

 

[piratebillybob]

from what im aware.... to be a fully qualified sparky you need to complete the NVQ level 3 electrotechnical, do the AM2, 17th edition regs and the 2391 They used to get people to do the 2330 level 2 and 3 as an introduction to the industry to lead you into the NVQ level 3. The NVQ level 3 is the actual qualification that makes you a qualified electrician. the 2330 levels 1,2 and 3 dont really qualify you to do anything. If you only do the 2330 and dont get an apprenticeship then its game over. And the only possibility left is an Electrical improver which seems to be for those who failed to get the nvq level 3 for some reason. You wont be able to work on your own as an improver, youll always have to have someone with you. And if you always have to have an electrician with you then theres no real reason not to work towards the nvq. Heres the definition for JIB Grading Definitions - Electrical Improver Grade As far as im aware, regardless of what these expensive training courses say there is no way you can become a fully qualified sparky without on the job training. You can become a domestic electrical installer by working in bays in a classroom, but to become fully qualified spark you need to work on the tools for at 2-4 years. And the minimum wage for apprenticeships is £2.50 To be a domestic electrical installer you need to do at least the 17th edition, part p and 2392 inspection and testing. You can do house stuff but you wont be able to change the distribution board and you wont be able to do periodicals.