To be fully qualified.....

[Nifty]

Hi all

I passed my year one of c&g 2330 and just about to start my year 2 (part 2) am I right in thinking once I pass year 2 I will be a qualified electrician?

What is the improver course? (year 3)

Also if I am wrong could you someone tell me what else I need to do to become qualified.....qualified as in either working for myself - rewiring a whole house or working for a company which will send me out on jobs to rewire a house.

Regards
Nifty

 

[dasa NE1]

Hi guys posted this for another guy earlier hope it helps

The best way forward in my opinion is what I told you yesterday to find a local spark either someone you know or by standing outside local electrical suppliers and hand out leaflets to every spark who gets out of van . Tell them you will work for free at weekends after college or work. Times are hard at the moment no companies are taking on trainees at the moment and the ones who are use JTL or similar set ups to bring apprentices through. The domestic sparks are fighting to make money against cowboys , cheap oversees farmers and teachers etc coming over and working as sparks mates for dodgy firms charging peanuts for jobs and cutting every corner they can. So although it sounds bleak there will be some domestic sparks who will look at it as good investment some free labor for their knowledge. This my friend cannot be bought there are some brilliant sparks out there who can teach you more than any college, book or course ever will. There is not and never will be a substitute for a good teacher the best people to teach you are the guys who have done it since they were 15 years old when there was no training academy’s or quick 6 , 12 or 24 week courses . To be a good competent spark it takes years not weeks. Theory is important you need to understand the fundamentals of electrical safety and all its principles but it means nothing without a good spark taking you under his wing and teaching you all he knows. You have committed to your course both financially and in study use it as the first step to your career not the only step .Don’t be second guessing it now it’s done . The qualifications you will get are industry standard now so every job you apply for in the future will ask for them. So invest as much of your time as you can spare with a spark as this is the best investment you will ever make in your career. It’s worked for dozens of people I know and everyone wins.
Good luck my friend and always look for the opportunity there is always an avenue.
Hope this helps

Kind Regards Das

 

[dasa NE1]

Also guys you can do your NVQ 3 using the route above . You need to complete 2 jobs showing at different stages you prepping the job , first fix . second fix and a little bit of testing . A decent spark will get you to this level before you fininsh your 2330 level 2.

Im not sure about the coming changes to 2330 and NVQ but my guess is this route will still work and get you JIB status for commerial and give you your entry into the industry. This route has worked for a number of sparks I know any other questions please dont hesitate to ask

Kind Regards Das

 

[alarm man]

There is not and never will be a substitute for a good teacher the best people to teach you are the guys who have done it since they were 15 years old when there was no training academy’s or quick 6 , 12 or 24 week courses .

they were called technical college's then,it took years not weeks to become a spark

 

[platty1005]

Hi fellas I work in training and to be honest the whole system is very confusing especially for people who are looking to re-train and believe a college course will make them a fully qualified spark.
Part P courses are divided into 2 parts defined scope and full scope
Defined scope is for people whose main work is not electrical but involves domestic electrical electrical work such as plumbers CH installers kitchen fitters etc. Full scope is for people who want to do DOMESTIC electrical installation as their main employment. A one or 2 week course gives you the qualifications to be a DOMESTIC INSTALLER not a fully qualified spark
To be a fully qualified spark you need a technical qualification EG: 2330 and a NVQ. An NVQ is work based assessments by a qualified assessor you need to complete a wide range of electrical installations under supervision usually as an apprentice and build up a portfolio of all the jobs you have worked on. to get JIB status I believe you still have to complete AM2 which would be very difficult without lots of practical experience. Imagine getting your driving license without driving on real roads. This is like saying I am a fully qualified spark after doing a college course only. If you read the small print training providers advertise courses leading to becoming a qualified electrician they cannot guarantee it without a job in the trade.
So I am sorry to burst a lot of bubbles but to become a fully qualified spark you need to complete a technical certificate AND be in a job where qualified sparks teach and supervise you so you can build up your NVQ portfolio until you become competent on all aspects of electrical installation not just domestic.

 

[dasa NE1]

You do not need to do the AM2 if you have done and NVQ Level 3 to get JIB staus . AM2 is the practical exam for the apprentice route . The NVQ is still achievable by working on a voultary basis for an electrcial contracor if you are unable to gain full time enployment in the electrcial game. You do need to be covered by there insurance policy or you can take out your own cover and work as a suby but without getting paid. But I must stress this is only the entry route into the trade to stay in it you need to be working in the game on a daily basis learning as you go . Just having the paperwork to say your a spark doesnt make you one . The skills you pick up along the way does .

 

[platty1005]

Hi DASA working on a voluntary basis for what I would estimate approx 18months to get an NVQ that is dedication or just plain stupid

 

[Risteard]

to be a fully qualified sparky you need to complete the NVQ level 3 electrotechnical, do the AM2, 17th edition regs and the 2391

The AM2 forms part of the NVQ evidence. Apprentices must however complete the AM2.

2391 is designed only to be attempted by already fully qualified Electricians and as such is not required to become a fully qualified Electrician.

 

[Nifty]

Thank you all for the replys
I still havent made my mind up if to go back to college but there is 1 question I have:

I know someone who is a spark and runs his own company, am I able to do the NVQ Level 3 on the "odd" saturday with him....if he agrees, or would I need to be working full time with him?


If it is full time then I have my answer about going not going back to college.

 

[dasa NE1]

I know six other sparks who have done it that way as long as the learning provider who will assess you has no problems then you should be ok. Check with them then snatch your mates hand off.

Kind Regrds Das

 

[Nifty]

Cheers Das

 

[dasa NE1]

Every time you do any sparky work take photos . You must have correct PPE on including gloves , eye protection were required. As all can be used as evidence in your portfollio. It took my mates about 6 months to get through doing it part time but taking photos is a must . Good luck having a mate in the game is half the battle the rest will fall into place. Were are you with your 2330 now ?
Sorry if me spellings not correct but sorting me gear out for Afghan so me heads done in


Kind Regards Das

 

[jonesy123]

Nothing to quantify QUALIFIED in any book i've read. More so the BRB says over and over again is COMPETENT...Discuss????

 

[Nifty]

Hi Das

Im just about to start year 2 level 2...this Wednesday!

I'm sure I can get the photos done OK, but 6 months?? I honestly thought it would of been a couple of months at the most.....what is involved with the NVQ?

 

[dasa NE1]

It can be done easily in two months as long as you have 2 seperate jobs to start. It involves the prepearation , health and safety issues . first fix . second fix , little testing of two jobs . The NVQ is done online with whats called QUICKSTEP. you answer questions write statements attach photos, assesor marks it sends it back job done. The assesor send it away to be verified and thats it.
But to be honest it wont be any use to you untill after 2330 level 3 so use the time to get your NVQ but most of all get as much hands on as you can. I know working for nowt sounds crap but in all the cases I have seen once you can first fix on your own then the sparks tend to take you on a day rate as they start to depend on you hopefully this will be the same for you.
Good luck hope this helps anything else give me a shout.

Kind Regards Das