To certify or not to certify?

[D Skelton]

Hi guys, I have a small job to go to where the customer wants a single socket changing to a double and some under cupboard lights installing in his kitchen. The under cupboard lights however already have cables installed. My question is whether or not I need to issue a MWC and also, whether the work is notifiable. My thoughts are that the job would be just the same as replacing like for like as the under cupboard cable is already installed and that I won't have to issue a MWC or notify. Could someone please tell me whether I'm on the right track or whether im totally wrong?

 

[B6 7BU]

Have you got a copy of this?
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[cagedanimal2010]

i always believe what ever you do the least you should be giving people is a mwc.

Danny

 

[D Skelton]

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Have you got a copy of this?
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yes, why?

 

[D Skelton]

i always believe what ever you do the least you should be giving people is a mwc.

even when changing like for like?

 

[cagedanimal2010]

even when changing like for like?

yep.
1 it covers your backside,
2 clients like it, makes them feel like you know what your doing!
3 it doesn't take that long does it?

Danny

 

[D Skelton]

Seems a very reasonable way of thinking about it. What about notifying the job? any ideas?

 

[malcolmsanford]

If you look at Schedule 4(2) section c (ii) of the Building regulations 2010 in a special location a kitchen

" Work which -
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location,
(b) does not involve work on a special installation, and
(c) consists of -

(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit or

(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit."

Needs notifying. If you interpret that fitting lights fittings to existing wiring, where no fitting existing before then you could believe that it should be notified, personally I dont think the LABC will be to concerned if you didnt

As for the socket then as I see it your just changing a single to a double so not adding, and so non notifiable.

I also would issue a MEIWC for each job, as you will test the fitting of the fittings and accessory and so why not issue one.

 

[edrobbo8]

Yes because if done correctly, if it ever came back to you, you could say well here are my test results etc., and that you cannot be held liable! As long as the quality of work was to regs etc.

 

[D Skelton]

Cheers to all of you, great advice. I will be issuing MWC's and also notifying

 

[Electricalserv]

If its changing accessories then why does it need to be notified? You could just buy one of the single to double sockets and add new lighting fittings if cables are already installed. Still do a MEIWC THOUGH

 

[malcolmsanford]

If its changing accessories then why does it need to be notified? You could just buy one of the single to double sockets and add new lighting fittings if cables are already installed. Still do a MEIWC THOUGH

This is one of these lovely part P grey areas, the changing of a single to double socket is not adding just changing, but fitting light fittings to an existing circuit is not changing an accessory, you cant change like for like with something that is not there.

As I said I doubt if the LABC would be interested, but I would give them a call and tell them what I was doing and even offer to send them a copy of a MEIWC, which I would imagine 99/100 will say no its ok.

 

[Electricalserv]

This is one of these lovely part P grey areas, the changing of a single to double socket is not adding just changing, but fitting light fittings to an existing circuit is not changing an accessory, you cant change like for like with something that is not there.

As I said I doubt if the LABC would be interested, but I would give them a call and tell them what I was doing and even offer to send them a copy of a MEIWC, which I would imagine 99/100 will say no its ok.

I don't think it needs to be notified.

 

[telectrix]

me neither. if the op is not a scam member, notification could cost £££, more than the job's worth.

 

[Goody]

As long as it’s not in the kitchen or bathroom, adding sockets or spurs on an existing circuit is not notifiable but still have to issue MWEIC – Technical Helpdesk at NICEIC.

In your case it sounds like, you have to notify your LABC.