They do when a lost neutral is the problem. If more wires than should be are 'live', then that's likely to be the clue to follow.You may be able to pick up lives with a pen, or non contact detector, but they don’t work on the neutral side.
All doWhat did you test for power with? If it's one of those pens that lights up then it could be giving a false live reading by picking up induced current from elsewhere. Do any other lights on the same breaker work?
Only live on the return - we put everything back as it was before & no light at all.They do when a lost neutral is the problem. If more wires than should be are 'live', then that's likely to be the clue to follow.
You may be able to pick up lives with a pen, or non contact detector, but they don’t work on the neutral side.
A photo of the fitting will help… if it’s one of those badly designed decorative things, the connectors will be too small, the casing has no space, and there’s nowhere for the earth wire to go…
Done all of that, tested both light fittings with a plugIs it possible the old and new lights don't work for two different reasons?
I guess you've tried to eliminate the possibility of faulty bulb, and faulty new fitting, eg by putting a plug on the new light to check it works?
With screw-in bulbs, depending on design of bulb and holder, I've occasionally had the outer bulb contact (at the bottom of the holder) failing to connect with the bulb thread, even with the bulb screwed in tightly. The remedy can be to bend the contact inwards a bit - with the power off obviously!️
Posted a picture of the connections at lighting point alreadyWe need to see the connections at the lighting point.