Trainee questions to answer

[matt1386]

Not sure if this will show properly but thats the practical exam we have to complete

 

[Simonslimline]

I am doing the 2357 and our practical includes installing various circuits( power/lighting/control/safety/data) using FP200, MICC, SWA, CAT5, FLAT TWIN, SY CABLE. Whatever is involved in your practical exam will have been covered in class already.

As for the Inspection & Testing side of things, Guidance note 3 is the book you should have. All you need to know is in this book.

 

[Chrisuk]

What does note D say??
Thanks for the picture matt
In fact a picture of the notes would be good mate

 

[Chrisuk]

The books we have been told we need are
Level 2 onsite guide and basic electrical installations level 2 by T.Lindsey
And for level 3 the BGB or BRB
BGB is £100 on amazon although a girl in our class got it for £50 some how

 

[matt1386]

I couldnt tell you to be honest Chris but will get a better pic once im back at college

He just showed us it on the computer so i took the pic from there


Cheers

 

[Chrisuk]

Nice one matt

 

[Chrisuk]

Hiya Chris, when I go back ill be on to doing some steel conduit work, ive done all my wiring exercises that are in the book we are given to complete, think ive only got 4 more tasks and then the workbook is complete so I dont have a clue what we will be doing after that ?

Have you lads seen what our practical exam is ? If not let me know and ill try get a pic up

I keep in touch with somebody on the same course as us who lives in swindon and his practical exam is the same as mine so im guessing they will all be the same

cheers

Matt

Looks like you are the 1 or 2 lessons in front of me and more

Is the book you are working from the 90page practical work book 1??

And is your next task the 2 junction boxes, a 20A and a 30A

I have about 8 tasks after that one and some tasks have 2 eg radial to ring or 1 way to 2 way

 

[pennychew]

There is an install practical and a safe isolation practical at level 2.

Level 3 is testing and inspection practical.


Get the bs7671:2011 onsite guide from amazon at £20 it explains the forumulae and makes it easier to understand

Hi shanky, cheers for that, ive got the OSG, GN3 and a book called 'Practical guide to inspection, testing and certification of electrical systems' which has accompanying youtube vids... im starting to get my head round it a bit now im breaking it down into sections and watching the vids!

The page with the vids is at
Videos - Practical Guide to Inspection, Testing and Certification of Electrical Installations
these are defo worth a watch and could be of use to others

 

[pennychew]

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Not sure if this will show properly but thats the practical exam we have to complete

Thats spot on thanks! theres a couple of boards in the workshop that look very similar to that but im sure we are doing the practical exam in the second year of the level 2?

I'm back there on monday so i'll find out, its all a bit confusing!

 

[pennychew]

Looks like you are the 1 or 2 lessons in front of me and more

Is the book you are working from the 90page practical work book 1??

And is your next task the 2 junction boxes, a 20A and a 30A

I have about 8 tasks after that one and some tasks have 2 eg radial to ring or 1 way to 2 way

Is the practical stuff from this workbook the 204 module by chance? just been looking at my course stuff and we havent started it yet if it is that one

 

[pennychew]

I am doing the 2357 and our practical includes installing various circuits( power/lighting/control/safety/data) using FP200, MICC, SWA, CAT5, FLAT TWIN, SY CABLE. Whatever is involved in your practical exam will have been covered in class already.

As for the Inspection & Testing side of things, Guidance note 3 is the book you should have. All you need to know is in this book.

Hi Simon, if you dont mind me asking what level are you doing and how far in are you?

I'm only 14 weeks into the start of my level 2 so we havent touch any of that stuff yet!

Stu

 

[northstar]

The books we have been told we need are
Level 2 onsite guide and basic electrical installations level 2 by T.Lindsey
And for level 3 the BGB or BRB
BGB is £100 on amazon although a girl in our class got it for £50 some how

have a look on flea bay

 

[Chrisuk]

Is the practical stuff from this workbook the 204 module by chance? just been looking at my course stuff and we havent started it yet if it is that one

I'm really not sure, classroom with 201/202 and it's from the practical wool book 1 we started at the sane time, im slightly behind, well all late starters are and that includes me, I was on reserve and didn't start til the very end of sept, then I missed 2 workshop lessons because of a funeral in France

I'll take a picture of the book and te exercise I'm speaking of with the 2 junction boxes

Like I said even after the one posted I have about 8 exercises and some have 2 section in the exercise

 

[Paul.M]

Lads. What are you all stuck with on the testing side of things?

One thing you will learn about becoming an Electrician is the ability to resource information. In this trainee section you have a direct line to some really really good Electricians that are willing to help. What are you finding hard? Post up a thread and ask your questions, that is what this section is all about.

Wish I had this type of resource when I was in college, dont pass up a great opportunity. Ask away and get some more threads going. No-one in here will belittle you in any way, shape or form. This is YOUR private section of the forum, use it more and learn how to become a great Electrician.

 

[Chrisuk]

Paul, did you see the picture, that's what our practical exam will be, could do with some help getting my skills upto scratch before I do that one....hint hint hint ha

 

[Paul.M]

Chris, lets meet up at the weekend so I can have a look through that book of yours. I'll have to get my head back into college talk again but I know a few Lecturers so I can phone a friend lol.

ps. Dont buy those Dickies boots, they are rubbish. I'll take you to a specialist H&S store, its like a toy shop for tradesmen, you will love it.

 

[Chrisuk]

have a look on flea bay

Cheers I will when the time comes but our tutor said don't even bother until on level 3, so thats 18months away

Im only just now after 2months of my course starting to get my head around the onsite guide, day 1 or my course I tried reading the onsite guide on my way to college, I didn't have a scooby, thanks to Paul.M it's so much more clear

 

[pennychew]

Lads. What are you all stuck with on the testing side of things?

One thing you will learn about becoming an Electrician is the ability to resource information. In this trainee section you have a direct line to some really really good Electricians that are willing to help. What are you finding hard? Post up a thread and ask your questions, that is what this section is all about.

Wish I had this type of resource when I was in college, dont pass up a great opportunity. Ask away and get some more threads going. No-one in here will belittle you in any way, shape or form. This is YOUR private section of the forum, use it more and learn how to become a great Electrician.

I'll take you up on that mate! i'll get a new thread going with a couple of things as it will be easier to follow

 

[Chrisuk]

Chris, lets meet up at the weekend so I can have a look through that book of yours. I'll have to get my head back into college talk again but I know a few Lecturers so I can phone a friend lol.

ps. Dont buy those Dickies boots, they are rubbish. I'll take you to a specialist H&S store, its like a toy shop for tradesmen, you will love it.

Nice one Paul, the ones I have aren't too bad, I just bought myself some work trousers though with all the pockets and knee pads because I found out today I'm helping a sparky doing a full 2 story rewire tomorrow , said it should take 3 or 4 days so I hope they come soon!!

 

[Chrisuk]

Yeah paul is show u the book you will bloody laugh at my circuit and wiring diagrams although i must admit they are getting SO much better now

 

[Chrisuk]

Hi Simon, if you dont mind me asking what level are you doing and how far in are you?

I'm only 14 weeks into the start of my level 2 so we havent touch any of that stuff yet!

Stu

2357, that's an apprenticeship isn't it???
Maybe it's laid out different to our 2365 course
In sure it can be completed in 2 years full time or maybe it's 3yrs

 

[Simonslimline]

Yeah sorry, i saw that pic after i posted this and the install looks quite different to what we have to do. The 2357 is level 3 and i am in my second year , hopefully have the college side wrapped up this year, also out onsite a minimum of 30 hours per week doing the NVQ side of things.

Out of curiosity what quals will you gain from your course?

Hi Simon, if you dont mind me asking what level are you doing and how far in are you?

I'm only 14 weeks into the start of my level 2 so we havent touch any of that stuff yet!

Stu

 

[Chrisuk]

C&G 2365 level 2 then 3
But we need to do NVQ3 if we want to be a sparky, also something called AM2 was mentioned if we want a gold card but don't quote me on that!!

 

[Paul.M]

Paul, did you see the picture, that's what our practical exam will be, could do with some help getting my skills upto scratch before I do that one....hint hint hint ha

Dont panic Mr Manering. It's only two 90d bends in steel conduit. These are the steps you need to take:-

1. Install the C/U as per the measured specs.

2. Judge the lengths of the two 20mm steel conduit and create a 90d bend. Then, going by the measurements given from the top and bottom of the work area (from the center of the junction box), mark and cut the conduit, thread it and install it at both ends.

I would say that only two saddles are needed on both pieces of pipe. You may have to put a slight dog leg from the C/U to the saddle, your workshop instructor should show you that. With a pencil, draw the conduit lines on the wall. Measure and mark where each saddle is going and the JB's.

ps. Make sure you have a spirit level with you. Everything needs to be straight.

 

[Chrisuk]

Im yet to work with steel conduit or cable trays, just got a 1 and 2way switch and 2 way intermediate to do and im on the steel conduit, no idea when I'll be using the cable trays though
The real world stuff I have coming up are 2 full rewires im helping with and a CU change so doubt any of that will help me!! When I say help me I mean with regards to working with cable trays and steel conduit

 

[Simonslimline]

Yeah it's the AM2 skills test. PRH Skills Assessment Centre

C&G 2365 level 2 then 3
But we need to do NVQ3 if we want to be a sparky, also something called AMD was mentioned if we want a gold card but don't quote me on that!!

 

[Simonslimline]

Here is a better link Explaining about the AM2




http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/attachments/electrical-courses-electrical-nvqs/5552d1305110167-complete-guide-new-am2-exam-am2-guide1.pdf

 

[pennychew]

Yeah it's the AM2 skills test. PRH Skills Assessment Centre

Yeah as Chris has said we would need to do a seperate NVQ and AM2 to get a JIB Gold card but i can look at that further down the line as im still unsure which road i want to go down to be honest

 

[Chrisuk]

What are you undecided about stu??

 

[pennychew]

What are you undecided about stu??

Just what i want to do long term mate, the grass isnt always greener if you know what i mean!

 

[Chrisuk]

Just what i want to do long term mate, the grass isnt always greener if you know what i mean!

I hear that, I used to be a mate for a kitchen fitter and all I heard was best trade, electrician hands down, good money and can be the cleanest trade and was told at that time that it seemed like lots of work was about

Since coming on here I've had the reply become a plumber, same money and less responsibility

And Can be hard to get work because many from EU are doing it for less

Ill stick it out and see how it goes

Although I need to find an employer who will take the time and teach me if I want to fully qualify and even if I found one I'd then have to find 2.5k each year to pay for my course while doing my NVQ3

I should of done this when I left school!!!!

 

[pennychew]

I hear that, I use to be a mate for a kitchen fitter and all I heard was best trade, electrician hands down, good money and can be the cleanest trade and was told at that time that it seemed like lots of work was about

Since coming on here I've had the reply because a plumber, same money and less responsibility

Can be hard to get work because many from EU are doing it for less

Ill stick it out and see how it goes

Although I need to find an employer who will take the time and teach me if I want to fully qualify and even if I found one I'd then have to find 2.5k each year to pay for my course while doing my NVQ3

I should of done this when I left school!!!!

Thats a coincidence mate! i work 3x12 hr shifts a week so i have quite a bit of time off... I spent 3 years working the other 2 or 3 days a week with a kitchen fitter doing kitchens bedroom and bathrooms, used to love it but i got burned out doing all the hours so i had to wrap it in about 2 year ago

 

[Chrisuk]

Thats a coincidence mate! i work 3x12 hr shifts a week so i have quite a bit of time off... I spent 3 years working the other 2 or 3 days a week with a kitchen fitter doing kitchens bedroom and bathrooms, used to love it but i got burned out doing all the hours so i had to wrap it in about 2 year ago

100% it's important to have the correct work/life balance!!
When I was younger I worked 70 hours a week but was awesome money at that age, £18p/h for Sunday, just not worth killing yourself for it though

 

[pennychew]

100% it's important to have the correct work/life balance!!
When I was younger I worked 70 hours a week but was awesome money at that age, £18p/h for Sunday, just not worth killing yourself for it though

You're not wrong! hope you can find a good start somewhere anyway mate

 

[Chrisuk]

Cheers mate, same to you Stu
fingers crossed, I hope something comes of it