unqualified and incompetent ...

[GATEHOUSEN]

can anyone tell me what can be done about unqualified and non competent "handy men " doing electrical intalations? :veryangry2:+*

 

[jase]

i have been part P registered scince the beginning of this year, never once has anyone asked if i am let alone cared or not, they seem baffled by the paperwork i give them and by some of the stuff i have to do to comply ie, " that seems a bit much, cant you just wire it off that " (points to nearest source of power)<br>whats the point in paying the schemes all the fees if they dont let the public know what part P really is?

 

[Goody]

• Recently I quoted £350.00 for a CU change for a three bed house and a couple of weeks after when asked the landlord said that he went with an electrician who offered to do it for only £150.00. I asked him if that electrician would give him EIC and he said, he wouldn't need one.

• I once had a look at the CU in a property which was allegedly rewired; guess what, a 40A MCB feeds a single door-bell circuit. The landlord latter said, rewiring was done by a builder.

Great!

 

[Deleted member 19807]

In theory, they can be prosecuted for flouting building regs.

In practice, nothing really. BCOs and TSs have no manpower for effective policing of pP.

unfortunatly not, its the house holders responsibility and they are the one who could get done not the "electrician"

 

[Des 56]

When I do domestic work,I wouldn't want to be in the position of being without registration if, by some remote possibility, someone actually implemented its procedure and I came up short with compliance issues

However Part p is the proverbial load of crap and should be binned now

Having made those statements,household electrics has always been installed by diy, potchers, other trades, etc
That has not changed and likely never will and to be honest,I dont particularly give a ----

What does rankle me is the devaluation of the trade by sectioning off domestic work,making legal sparks of other trades,diluting the respect given by being a spark
Its just considered by many as just a bolt on trade to a few others in domestic situations

It could even be time to hand in the towel to this sector and let the shambles continue
The trade of electrician is being demeaned and targeted nowadays, like never before

I have held a view for a while that perhaps test and inspection is the way forward

Let he who thinks he can install do so freely,without qualification,experience cost of notification or schemes or anything else

The balance to this free policy.Make the test and inspection and the person carrying it out, an important tool instead of the present sham

Rubbish installation work would more likely come to light,then tradesmen trained in installation are likely to be wanted folks,instead of milk machines for all and sundry as they are now,with sparks paying for that privelidge

 

[Mr.Ian]

Also people say ''oh it'll be a problem when you come to sell it as you've no certs for the work'' i'm in the process of buying a house at the moment, all i've had concerning the sloppy electrics from the solicitor is ''I recomend they are checked and tested''. The previous owner has moved the cu to the room above and also added an additional cu the tails feeding both have been extended from the meter(with larger tails than the initial feed from meter) / wiring is pathetic with t&e cables run under carpets with insulation taped joints, single core wires and flex run through cavity walls with no protection to power external flood lights. The 4 bedroom property has a total of 4 consumer units. Nothing has been mentioned to the seller about the condition or safety of the system it's just down to the buyer to have it checked over. I wonder how much ''Bodger Bill n co'' wil charge me to sort that out ??????LOL

 

[Engineer54]

It's a buyers market right now, so insist on a PIR and then when it fails, ...claim the money, for at least a partial re-wire or even a full rewire be knocked off the asking price... lol!!

 

[Mr.Ian]

It's a buyers market right now, so insist on a PIR and then when it fails, ...claim the money, for at least a partial re-wire or even a full rewire be knocked off the asking price... lol!!

I don't really want to risk loosing the property to be honest, sorting the electrics isn't a problem, I was just wondering why with all these regs and certs needed to do this n that that the seller has had no legal issues to contend with on selling the property. So it could be all the jobs they had done are in effect not to spec / no certs / no building regs / part p approval / no testing , nothing ,but they can just get away with it. So where does this big threat of non compliance come into effect ????? Is it only if someone gets killed ?????

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Unqualified and incompetant people have always done electrical work...as well as repairing cars,plumbing,building.....it's up to them,their choice.
I'll wager on a mechanics forum somewhere right now there is a discussion about unqualified and incompetant people repairing cars....and I'll wager most of the contributors to this thread have at some time repaired their cars...and are not qualified to do so.
I've seen plenty of appalling DIY electrics,but I've also seen plenty of perfectly adequate DIY work....some better than work done by so people who call themselves electricians,and those who are capable of it should not be prevented from doing so,just as I should not be prevented from saving a few quid by changing the brake pads on my car. I maintain the right of anyone who wants to have a go to do so...it's their choice. If they prefer to use someone competant,well they can get on the phone and call a local established and approved contractor..they have the choice.

 

[Guest123]

guess what, a 40A MCB feeds a single door-bell circuit.

A least it'll be nice & loud then!!:crazy:

 

[JonAW]

Unqualified and incompetant people have always done electrical work...as well as repairing cars,plumbing,building.....it's up to them,their choice.
I'll wager on a mechanics forum somewhere right now there is a discussion about unqualified and incompetant people repairing cars....and I'll wager most of the contributors to this thread have at some time repaired their cars...and are not qualified to do so.
I've seen plenty of appalling DIY electrics,but I've also seen plenty of perfectly adequate DIY work....some better than work done by so people who call themselves electricians,and those who are capable of it should not be prevented from doing so,just as I should not be prevented from saving a few quid by changing the brake pads on my car. I maintain the right of anyone who wants to have a go to do so...it's their choice. If they prefer to use someone competant,well they can get on the phone and call a local established and approved contractor..they have the choice.

I tend to agree here. But what should not be confused here is people doing DIY electrics and charging for it. If someone is not qualified they should not be carrying out work at their mates etc for money. If they want to wire away at their own home then fair enough but thats where they should stop for their own sake.

The ones I really don't like to see are the plumbers who connect up the showers. I have come across a few very dodgy installs, not least in my own house. A 10.5kW shower which I had a 10mm cable supplying it. The plumber cut the cable too short and could only connect the neutral by 2 strands!!!. A long with other shoddy work he had done it put the icing on the cake, I immediately gave him the road and withheld his last £1000. I then proceded to complete the plumbing myself DIY .

 

[GATEHOUSEN]

grrrr it seems so wrong,and they take work away from real sparks!

 

[Rockingit]

Unqualified and incompetant people have always done electrical work...as well as repairing cars,plumbing,building.....it's up to them,their choice.
I'll wager on a mechanics forum somewhere right now there is a discussion about unqualified and incompetant people repairing cars....and I'll wager most of the contributors to this thread have at some time repaired their cars...and are not qualified to do so.

...I should not be prevented from saving a few quid by changing the brake pads on my car. I maintain the right of anyone who wants to have a go to do so...it's their choice.

I understand perfectly the analogy that you're using, but you do need to remember that after you've done the brakes on your car, within a maximum of 364 days later the law requires you to take it for an MOT so that someone who IS qualified can make a judgement on whether your work was up to scratch or not.

And if you do some plumbing, you know when it leaks. etc etc etc.

 

[Rampage]

They are qualified to check that the brakes work. They don't check whether you've done things correctly ie. split pins holding in brake pads, calliper bolts tightened correctly, correct brake fluid type etc.

It could probably be compared to Inspection & Testing in some ways!

 

[AIM]

Is MoT comparison the same as PIR frquency for domestic?

That would be OK if home owners felt they needed a PIR. CORGI/Gas Safe scared everyone into getting regular service of gas appliances.

Whilst we have numerous Schemes competing for OUR money, nothing united will be done to get PIRs made a priority.

 

[Engineer54]

I can agree with everything wirepuller stated in his post, though it's obvious, that many here will not. They refuse to see the bigger picture and the consequences of banning the general public from purchasing electrical goods, either from retailers or wholesalers.

You should be far more conserned about the level of competency in our profession and those that aren't, being gladly accepted by the very organisations that are in place, supposedly to assess and approve it's member's competency, but clearly aren't!!!

For the general public, and businesses at this moment in time it's generally a ''Crap Shoot'' when they employ the services of an electrician. I'd get that situation sorted, before you start going after the general public, you'll achieve far more for our industry....