USA politics, recent events.

[Paul L]

Thought you were gonna say that ?. This thread just seems to be one rule for whichever side you are on and one rule for the other. I'm not saying that the Democrats are much better but I know what I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears over the last 4 years and that's enough for me to form my own opinion.

 

[Darkwood]

It may not be defined as stacking, but Trump rushing through the appointment of Coney Barratt in record time to beef up the majority the Republicans already had was an insurance policy for him incase he needed the Supreme Court, was that not outrageous?

Fortunately Justice won out as it most likely would if the Court had a Democrat majority and the Supreme Court ruled against Trump.

What trump did was by the book, he also rebalanced some of the system but never stacked it, what Biden is attempting to do is against what the constitution was designed to do, it is one of the main reasons the constitution was drafted to stop what Biden is trying to do, this is why he refused to mention or answer it in the election run ups, Americans hold their constitution very dear and he would throw away his chances by saying he was going to stack the courts.
Now he is in is he is setting the ball rolling to do exactly that, and it is upsetting not only the opposition but many of the democrats. This is taking the US into what can only be called communism.
Just look at what is occurring -
Silence the opposition and suppress the public freedom of speech (Parler removed, Trump removed and thousands of account closed on twitter almost all on the conservative side)
Take political control of the courts (Biden is doing that)
Those that question and oppose be arrested even for speech or posts (man arrested for a meme he posted against hillary 4 yrs ago).

It is now becoming apparent the national guard is there to protect Biden/demcrats not from Trump fans but from everyone, his actions have not just upset republicans who I may add are not rioting over it but he has upset BLM and Antifa and thousands who have had their jobs destroyed on EO's he siged, since the inauguration Antifa have been rioting and trashing democrat buildings across the country as they realise they have been used as political pawns and now they have been let down by democrat promises they are back to violence and protests... bet you haven't even heard that in the news have you.

 

[Darkwood]

Thought you were gonna say that ?. This thread just seems to be one rule for whichever side you are on and one rule for the other. I'm not saying that the Democrats are much better but I know what I've seen and heard with my own eyes and ears over the last 4 years and that's enough for me to form my own opinion.

And you are welcome t have and share those opinions as is how we normally refine our look on life, all I ask is when you say you know what seen and heard may I ask are we talking through the media because that is the worst place to get a real view.
Like I said earlier, I prefer to watch professional law experts give feedback on events and legal cases, it very rarely matches what you see from the media and in fact it's a massive eye opener to how biased all media is and that is on both side of the spectrum not just one.

A good starting point and a guy who simplifies and explains the legal jargon is Viva Frei, he is on a few platforms but you'll find him doing almost daily uploads in youtube.
Have a gander at the parler/amazon review and witness how the judge made a 'political' decision in Amazon's favour completely exposing how the system is been manipulated to take out the conservative voice and any company that tries to oppose it.

 

[Paul L]

I'm just a simple fella darkwood and I just don't like the tone of lots of words I've actually seen him say over the years. It's just the way I roll in life but I absolutely respect what you are saying,you are way more knowledgeable about this than me. I've just always had this aversion to the brash almost mocking tone that he seems to be an exponent of. It takes all sorts to make a world though and I know I'm taking a simplistic view of this so I'll just shut up now lol ?

 

[Darkwood]

I agree @Paul L and for the first few yrs I was 100% behind your school of thought then I started seeing what his policies and actions were doing for the US and never saw these positive stories ever on the news so I dug deeper and it totally opened up a massive can of worms and then I realised that not only the US media but our own was unfairly targeting Trump by only posting negative stories.
Yes he is a verbal idiot, yes he doesn't carry himself like a real politician but he did one thing no recent president has done, he put the people before the big tech and that is why he beat employment records, economy records, got more blacks into education than any other president etc ..
If he was this person that we are told then why do 80million people still support him after he has left and why do all the figures he achieved destroy all recent achievements by any other president.
That was the reason I posted that achievement list, non of my mates had ever even known of any of them and given he helped broker 4 peace deals that other presidents had failed to do you have to ask a lot of questions as to why we are been spoon fed nothing but negatives.
The same mates of mine didn't even know there is corruption and pedo allegations against Hunter Biden or the sexual allegation against his dad 'the President' these cases are active yet it now seems Biden is setting the cases up to fail. Trump could have done this with the Russia allegations but he didn't need to because he wasn't guilty and was cleared but only after yrs of claims.
If you want to stick by your views I will think no less of you as that is your right but I do like to show there is 2 sides to every story and US politics is by far one complicated cookie.

 

[nicebutdim]

Oddly enough I was also opposed to Trump when he won the presidency, although I felt the choice between him and Hillary was pretty much impossible for Americans. I thought US politics needed a kick up the backside, and that he would provide this, but I didn't expect him to do much for US citizens.

He certainly provided a shake up and his continued brash attitude came as no surprise, but I started to realise that his policies were actually having an effect on the lives of many of those Americans to whom no one listened.

As the Russian allegations started to look shakey and it became apparent that many of his opponents weren't interested in any of his successes, but simply wanted to oppose his every action, I began to watch more closely.

After four years he was still the same braggart, but that side of his personality was no longer as brash as it had been - not that I think he was a different person, but that he'd learnt a little about politics. While the last four years saw a lot of anger, this was often about nothing of substance. Right now I think we're going to see much of the same anger, but possibly for good reason - who know? This might all blow over and everything goes back to the old routine, but equally matters could become worse. One thing I've long been certain of is that Biden isn't going to do much other than what he is told by persons unknown - it's pretty clear that he isn't capable, so who is writing these executive orders?

It's also interesting to note that where antifa rioters were previously being released without bail, for all but the most serious of charges, they're now facing much more robust charges and are less likely to be released after processing. These decisions are being taken at a mayoral level as before, yet those roles are still occupied by the same people.

Now matter what anyone's politcal views are, I think events in the US are worth keeping a close eye on.

 

[Paul L]

I'm happy to correct my earlier inference regarding Trumps pardoning of people. I now note that all previous presidents of both parties have always done this and Barak Obama had the highest amount i believe. I should have looked into that a bit more (maybe proving your points about finding out correct information).
I will never be a fan of Trumps for my simplistic reasoning previously stated but i cant blame him for everything. Have a good day ?.

 

[Midwest]

I agree @Paul L and for the first few yrs I was 100% behind your school of thought then I started seeing what his policies and actions were doing for the US and never saw these positive stories ever on the news so I dug deeper and it totally opened up a massive can of worms and then I realised that not only the US media but our own was unfairly targeting Trump by only posting negative stories.
Yes he is a verbal idiot, yes he doesn't carry himself like a real politician but he did one thing no recent president has done, he put the people before the big tech and that is why he beat employment records, economy records, got more blacks into education than any other president etc ..
If he was this person that we are told then why do 80million people still support him after he has left and why do all the figures he achieved destroy all recent achievements by any other president.
That was the reason I posted that achievement list, non of my mates had ever even known of any of them and given he helped broker 4 peace deals that other presidents had failed to do you have to ask a lot of questions as to why we are been spoon fed nothing but negatives.
The same mates of mine didn't even know there is corruption and pedo allegations against Hunter Biden or the sexual allegation against his dad 'the President' these cases are active yet it now seems Biden is setting the cases up to fail. Trump could have done this with the Russia allegations but he didn't need to because he wasn't guilty and was cleared but only after yrs of claims.
If you want to stick by your views I will think no less of you as that is your right but I do like to show there is 2 sides to every story and US politics is by far one complicated cookie.

I‘ve just Googled that, most of the hits suggest they are false allegations. Where do you get your information from?

 

[nicebutdim]

I‘ve just Googled that, most of the hits suggest they are false allegations. Where do you get your information from?

Some of the allegations surrounding Hunter Biden are difficult to substantiate for legal reasons (images involving kids). Apparently some non-explicit images have been circulated that have been described as vile and indefensible. It is alleged that these are the tip of that particular iceberg, but I've no desire to view them for obvious reasons.

The corruption allegations stem from emails released after a computer repairer handed a laptop to US authorites (non payment of repair bill by Hunter Biden meant that laptop subsequently passed into ownership of the repairer). This story broke, along with some leaked emails, prior to the election and main stream media reported nothing. One notable exception was the New York Post, whose Twitter account was locked due to claims over Authenticity of these emails. NY Post refused to back down and their account was finally unlocked (several days) after authenticity was confirmed. After the election, some noises were made about the story within the main stream media, but ultimately they dropped the whole thing.

The emails implicate Hunter and also Joe Biden's brother. What hasn't been substantiated is the claim that a party regularly referred to as "the big man" is none other than Joe Biden, although a former business partner of Hunter's has gone on record stating that Joe Biden was always to be referred to by this name in all communications.

Who knows what the actual truth is, but I find it rather odd that this story involving authenticated information has been mostly ignored by the media.

 

[Midwest]

Well for the most part, most of the hits on google, up to two pages in were saying, in effect it was all false allegations, the child sex thing.

 

[nicebutdim]

Well for the most part, most of the hits on google, up to two pages in were saying, in effect it was all false allegations, the child sex thing.

I don't dispute that.

In fact, I'd expect as much considering all the work that went into suppressing this story during the run up to the election.

 

[Midwest]

I don't dispute that.

In fact, I'd expect as much considering all the work that went into suppressing this story during the run up to the election.

So where's the evidence for that, suppressing the story?

 

[Darkwood]

Big tech is involved in this suppression, think about that.

When you search you use a search engine, if that search engine is suppressing certain information and sites then how do you know it is, you will simply believe the direction it heads you and almost certainly it will push you to information that suits its own agenda.
If you were privy enough to see or witness he evidence you are left in no doubt this is real and not what you see as the top listings on your search engine would have your believe.
Remember even the fact checker sites are run by people of the liberal left and they very carefully word things to give a certain impression while conveniently leaving out vital information, they do not exactly lie but they push a narrative to push you to think a certain way and is why people like Candace Owens a spoken out conservative voice has successfully sued these platforms in the past.

Let's say we have a social media platform that refuses to align with the Silicon Valley view, we did, in fact we have on a few occasions and what happens is an orchestrated attack that wipes them off the face of the digital world.
This happened several years ago with a platform called Gab and more recently with Parler, neither of these sites had content on them that couldn't be found on Twitter but it wasn't about the content, it was about the fact the deep state couldn't control them the way they have with big tech so an orchestrated attack was done. Gab actually rebuilt itself to be totally independent from the rest of the tech and they now have no way of pulling the plug on Gab, Parler however were riding on the very systems of big tech that supported its forum, they removed the apps, they cut off the servers and blocked the addresses all because Parler wouldn't play ball, the irony here is Twitter are far from angels themselves ... in fact none of the popular platforms are but here are 2 reports and it beggars belief that twitter has the audacity to criticise Parler and its content yet still remain in the app store even though ... see below.

Twitter Shares Child Abuse Content On Social Media: IWF

The UK-based Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) has revealed that nearly half of the child abuse content in the social media space is being shared openly on micro-blogging platform Twitter.According to a report in The Telegraph that accessed the IWF data, 49 per cent of the images, videos and url...

www.newsgram.com

Twitter refused to remove child ---- because it didn’t ‘violate policies’: lawsuit - https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-sued-for-allegedly-refusing-to-remove-child-----/

What you see on the internet if it is politically conscious or doesn't follow the liberal far left agenda pushed by silicon valley and the deep state will be removed while they happily turn the other cheek to companies that bow down to their instructions and it doesn't matter how hypocritical they are or how guilty they are of the same or even worse.

 

[nicebutdim]

So where's the evidence for that, suppressing the story?

The post above gives a fairly good account of how these things happen.

Not sure how I can prove that a story was suppressed. Some people save before and after screen shots of stories that have been heavily edited or removed entirely, but I'm not really concerned about going to those lengths in order to win a later argument.

 

[Midwest]

I think this thread has come to the end of its useful discussion, well it has for me. Some of you are choosing to believe in what you want to believe in, not what the truth is in reality.