USA politics, recent events.

[GBDamo]

If you meant "too many people displaying wrong thinking", well yes I agree with you. Wrong thinking is, nt of much value is it.?

Now bearing in mind the enthusiastic support the forum moderators are showing for a politician who began his presidential campaign as the leader of the "birther movement" conspiracy and ended his presidency as the leader of the Qanon conspiracy and filled the time in between gaining a reputation as a not very reliable character, not to mention bringing white supremacist groups from the fringes of society into the mainstream. You might remember that when Obama, s birth cert was produced it made no difference to him. A pattern that was to repeat itself through his presidency.Then on being elected he immediately acknowledged what he had promoted as truth was a lie.
As "Darkwood" might say "have I missed something"?

You do realise Trump was a legally elected President of the USA, not the antichrist, El Chappo or Hitler.

People have opposing views on all manner of things, however when one side sets their view up as sacrosanct and the other as evil it doesn't end well, won't end well and never has ended well.

When you hear the noises coming from the left of US politics about hunting down those that "Enabled" Trump you start to realise the danger we are sleepwalking into.

Sorry if you don't find this message doubleplusgood.

 

[LastManOnline]

You do realise Trump was a legally elected President of the USA, not the antichrist, El Chappo or Hitler.

People have opposing views on all manner of things, however when one side sets their view up as sacrosanct and the other as evil it doesn't end well, won't end well and never has ended well.

When you hear the noises coming from the left of US politics about hunting down those that "Enabled" Trump you start to realise the danger we are sleepwalking into.

Sorry if you don't find this message doubleplusgood.

Was that a reply to my previous post?. Be helpful if you read and then replied to what I said rather than a meaningless rant

 

[LastManOnline]

@LastManOnline

Given I am guilty in part of doing this myself then I have no issue as long as it isn't a EXTREMIST group as such.

Gotta hand it to "Darkwood". You got a sense of humour!!

 

[Darkwood]

@LastManOnline

Everyone is welcome to their own opinions on this forum including staff, this is in a political section of the forum and that is often a topic of strong opinion.

Debate is good and healthy, it is how we form and refine opinion, you comment on 'wrong thinking' - please explain who makes that call, please explain where in this thread the spirit of debate has breached any laws and please point out where member have been disrespectful of each other even though views may be opposite.

What we don't appreciate is the direction you are taking it, rather than join in and give your own input to why you may oppose mine and other views with whatever citation or evidence you have to back that up you instead quote 'one liners from members posts including mine' and take them out of the context they were presented for what is nothing more than a trolling comment.
Now with all respect because I am part of this thread debate I do not moderate the thread so as not to show bias in any form, this thread is overlooked by other staff and they will even kick me into touch if I drift off course however if forum rules are clearly been abused then I will address them.

If you do not like the discussion or the content and it does not fit your own views then you are free to join in and discuss like other members, if you still have issues then feel free to PM another member of staff for feedback and/or simply ignore the thread.

PS- You make a lot of claims in your response, please enlighten me to this White Supremacist group you claim have been brought from the fringes to the mainstream by who I assume is Trump you refer to, I am intrigued?

 

[brianmoooore]

You do realise Trump was a legally elected President of the USA, not ..... Hitler.

Yes, and Hitler was a legally elected chancellor of Germany.

 

[LastManOnline]

@LastManOnline



What we don't appreciate is the direction you are taking it,

@LastManOnline

Everyone is welcome to their own opinions on this forum including staff, this is in a political section of the forum and that is often a topic of strong opinion.

Debate is good and healthy,

What we don't appreciate is the direction you are taking it,

But I am equally unhappy with the direction you have taken the discussion in. Am I not allowed to say that.? Now for someone who has expressed such a desire to see hard facts and citations. have you noticed how the facts I presented regarding Trump's use of conspiracy theories have not being respo ded to. Well everyone else has.

 

[Deleted account]

I’ve just read through this thread and it worries me to see calls to sensor or stop the freedom of speech we have.

if someone was incouraging violence, racism, or sexism Within this site. Yes moderate or even shut down. But I’ve seen non of that hear. Just different points of view

in the beginning I though trump seemed ok, a nice change to have a non politician In charge.

All that changed in my mind as the more he opened his mouth the worste that came out.

He is in my opinion a true nutter.

Some people will be offended by my comment. That’s fine as I respect the fact they disagree with me. But I don’t want to be silenced.

one other point. Is anyone else sick of comparisons to hitler ever time there is a big divisive debate. That was over 80years ago...

 

[Darkwood]

But I am equally unhappy with the direction you have taken the discussion in. Am I not allowed to say that.? Now for someone who has expressed such a desire to see hard facts and citations. have you noticed how the facts I presented regarding Trump's use of conspiracy theories have not being respo ded to. Well everyone else has.

They haven't been responded to by me because I don't entirely disagree with some of what you said, Trump has a lot of faults and name me any prime minister or president who hasn't, it seems your problem is you are jumping to your own conclusions and assumptions about my full position on Trump, I believe in fair politics and fair elections, since Trump entered office I have seen nothing but very dirty tactics been played out for 4yrs and are still going on.
As it stands now 54 -45 I think have voted in favour to push impeachment of Trump even though it can no longer be done as written in the constitution, the fact 45 republicans supported Trump means this is dead on arrival anyway as for a conviction there is not enough people to push it through by a large margin of 17 if I got that correct, and here is my problem, this is all optics now, it is waste of money, it is making divide worse and it is been orchestrated completely by the democrats. I hate dirty politics and will call it out even if i is my own party, the Russia collusion over Trump lasted 4 yrs and he has been totally debunked and exposed in declassified CIA documents, it was a massive dirty tricks campaign to take the overbearing attention off Hillary's Email scandal.

I would prefer you ask me my opinion on a specific point than assert your own assumption which you repeatedly do, Trump for me is not a politician and that has a lot of positives but it also comes with many negatives which have got him in some stupid positions of his own creation, but if you put them aside and actually see what he has done for America in just 4 yrs then that is why I support him, he has broken economic and job records, brought back long dead industries and basically put the people first and not shareholders.

A lot of people base their opinion of Trump on his let's say stupid comments, twitter use and general attitude, this has been heavily pushed by the media across the world, however simply read through the list I linked to at the beginning of the thread and you will see that behind that foolish front he has done more for America than any other recent president and has broken several records that have held for 70yrs in some cases.

 

[brianmoooore]

one other point. Is anyone else sick of comparisons to hitler ever time there is a big divisive debate. That was over 80years ago...

It was, and you'd think we'd be more alert to someone using similar techniques to obtain and retain power.

 

[nicebutdim]

My particular favourite was the media framing it as 'mostly peaceful protests'.

Cream of the crop was CNN's man in Kenosha reporting "firey, but mostly peaceful" protests while a warzone was blazing in the background.

 

[GBDamo]

Yes, and Hitler was a legally elected chancellor of Germany.

....and Marie Antoinette had her head lopped off is this also relevant?

Despite obvious election fraud Trump has left office, Gradpa Joe is now president, that is until he's deemed unfit and Kamala takes over.

 

[telectrix]

It was, and you'd think we'd be more alert to someone using similar techniques to obtain and retain power.

by that do you mean to say that Trump has murdered millions?

 

[Midwest]

So to recap your supposition @darkwood;

Trumps speech did nothing to incite demonstrators to violence & storm the Capitol, as they can’t be in two places at once. And they wouldn’t of been aware of tweets etc, made by Trump the days before, about Jan 6th. But let’s not draw that into the debate. So all his supporters were miles away listening to his speech.

Meanwhile the Black Lives Matters, Antifa etc were waiting patiently outside the Capitol, waiting for the right time to go.

The FBI & National Guard etc were in cahoots with the Democrats, as they had intelligence about the plan to storm the Capitol, but they wanted it to happen as it would make Trump look bad.

So when the building was stormed, it wasn’t Trump supporters, but a bunch of infiltrators, whose intention it was to have a peaceful protest and just act if they were tourists, looking around inside.

And there was no way, Trump supporters could walk the couple of miles to take part. The National Guard weren’t deployed, again to make Trump look bad. But the same National Guard turned their backs on the incoming President, to make him look bad.

I think that’s it?

 

[brianmoooore]

by that do you mean to say that Trump has murdered millions?

No, I mean exactly what I wrote. The same techniques to obtain and retain power - the dividing of the nation and the vilification of some minority groups, the seeding and amplification of false news, etc., etc.
Trump hadn't been in power long enough embark on any mass murder schemes, and I doubt if any were ever on the agenda, although there's several hundred thousand US citizens who are now needlessly dead as a result of his actions..

 

[telectrix]

there's several hundred thousand US citizens who are now needlessly dead as a result of his actions..

would you care to expand on that .