USA politics, recent events.

[HappyHippyDad]

He was on a parr with Hitler for the sheer destruction he could have caused had he stayed in power.

 

[electric al]

He was on a parr with Hitler for the sheer destruction he could have caused had he stayed in power.

C'mon hippy ; I've told you a million times not to exaggerate ?

 

[nicebutdim]

He was on a parr with Hitler for the sheer destruction he could have caused had he stayed in power.

Considering his efforts to bring troops home from the middle east, and being the first US president in more than a generation not to have started a war, I'm not sure that I follow your logic.

 

[MDJ]

Of course they, did more than any president in history.....

Are there really people that believe that 80 million people voted for Biden?

Nowt as Queer as folk as me gran used to say, she's been dead thirty years so probably voted for him herself.

Yes there are, except Trump supporters of course who think the election was rigged lol

 

[Midwest]

I'm posting for myself and not as a representative of any 'guys'. I'm not looking for evidence to support any claims, but pointing out that much news is selectively reported.

The Biden video shows what I suggested it did: that Joe Biden sat on a stage and recounted how he'd pressured Ukraine into firing the prosecutor that was investigating his son This is 100% factually correct, regardless of whether you believe it was coincidental or by design.

I'm not sure how to reconcile you statement that "resulted in stirring hysteria and the resultant violent mob.", when in the same paragraph you admit to 'not really' having listened to his speech. Those conflicting statements could be construed as meaning you accepted news reports (that you now know to have carefully selected what they were reporting) at face value.


On a different note; Trump's twitter ban didn't actually result from him having gone too far, but was actually implemented after a surprisingly innocuous tweet. I'm not claiming that Trump didn't tweet a lot of contentious comments, but making the point that those weren't actually the reason for his ban.

Hmmm didn't get any alerts after my last post; my conspiracy theory is Darkwood is trying the thwart me from replying ?

I was trying to be polite to you 'Guys'.

The Biden conspiracy theory has been widely debunked. He wanted the prosecutor fired, but not for the reasons you think. I can't find any reference, that supports the theory, apart from that Republican report, which doesn't seem to be worth paper its written on

IMO, after reading looking at all the reports videos, Trumps behaviour before his speech & during fed the crowd, which resulted in the invasion of the Capitol building. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

But on your last point, at least we agree on something.

 

[GBDamo]

The thing is this, with Trump I've seen with my own eyes the things he does and says. I don't have to rely on internet searches, it's all there to see, I've watched it over the years.

As far as I'm concerned his presidential campaign should have ended the day he mocked a disabled journalist during the 2016 primaries. Can anyone honestly claim that this would not have ended any British politicians career? let alone a bid to lead the party.

Not this again.....

No he didn't, he used the same gesture as he always did to demonstrate incompetence, there are other example available.

But, this is Trump all over he wouldn't be groomed for office, he wouldn't be guided and left himself open to this kind of attack.

While we're at it he never said he can grab women by their -------. He didn't put babies in cages, he didn't collude with the Russians, boo hiss, in fact you'd be very hard pressed to find any truth accusations from the left.

This is the problem with taking your lead from those who's panties come factory knotted is, they are always looking for something to be outraged by, someone to offend them. They build a good argument but its like a mural on a derelict shop window, they don't take much scratching to see through.

Trump didn't have the sense to see the danger in this kind of attack, or thought by drawing them he would spotlight what a bunch of sixth form student activists the modern left is.

 

[Midwest]

Not this again.....

No he didn't, he used the same gesture as he always did to demonstrate incompetence, there are other example available.

But, this is Trump all over he wouldn't be groomed for office, he wouldn't be guided and left himself open to this kind of attack.

While we're at it he never said he can grab women by their -------. He didn't put babies in cages, he didn't collude with the Russians, boo hiss, in fact you'd be very hard pressed to find any truth accusations from the left.

This is the problem with taking your lead from those who's panties come factory knotted is, they are always looking for something to be outraged by, someone to offend them. They build a good argument but its like a mural on a derelict shop window, they don't take much scratching to see through.

Trump didn't have the sense to see the danger in this kind of attack, or thought by drawing them he would spotlight what a bunch of sixth form student activists the modern left is.

He does use spray tan though; that’s not normal, unless your from Essex. ?

 

[Midwest]

And he's got a comb over, that Arthur Scargill would of been proud of.

 

[andyb]

Not this again.....

No he didn't, he used the same gesture as he always did to demonstrate incompetence, there are other example available.

But, this is Trump all over he wouldn't be groomed for office, he wouldn't be guided and left himself open to this kind of attack.

While we're at it he never said he can grab women by their -------. He didn't put babies in cages, he didn't collude with the Russians, boo hiss, in fact you'd be very hard pressed to find any truth accusations from the left.

This is the problem with taking your lead from those who's panties come factory knotted is, they are always looking for something to be outraged by, someone to offend them. They build a good argument but its like a mural on a derelict shop window, they don't take much scratching to see through.

Trump didn't have the sense to see the danger in this kind of attack, or thought by drawing them he would spotlight what a bunch of sixth form student activists the modern left is.

I find it incredible that you can put out a post like this and then at the end call me a sixth form student with my knickers in a twist. Anyone reading this can see who's 'panties come factory knotted'.

All I said is that I judge Trump, and Biden for that matter and Johnson and everyone in the political arena on what I see.

I do think he was mocking a disabled journalist, you can mitigate this by claiming he always does this to demonstrate incompetence, fine, just post a link and I'll reconsider my view. As you say there must be plenty of examples available so it should be easy for you.

If he never mentioned grabbing a woman by her -----, why on earth did he apologize for just that. Strange behaviour.

US election: Donald Trump sorry for obscene remarks on women

Donald Trump apologises for obscene comments about women made in a 2005 video, saying "these words don't reflect who I am".

www.bbc.co.uk

Children most certainly were put in cages under his watch, I don't use this to attack Trump though because I have no idea if he was involved directly. The cages were already there, they were built during Obama's tenure.

Russian collusion, probably happened but see above.

Other things I’ve seen with my own eyes.

Blatant misogyny, racism, attacking the parents of dead servicemen, insulting John Mcain.

There will be more but I need to go to work, not, you’ll be pleased to know, going to my 6th form common room.

I’ll happily take ‘modern left’ though.

 

[GBDamo]

The disabled mocking fully explained.

12minutes long.

Please try to be open minded as you'll see his action was habitual and, though optically awful, was not directed against the reporter, was not indicative of his disability and Trump didn't even know who the guy was.


As for the misogyny and racism these are banded about far to liberally and the issues much too complex to discuss in any reasonable time frame here but all I'll say is that women and people of colour that Trump agreed with and showed competence did very well in his organisations and Government. Those he didn't agree with or he thought incompetent did not, its only these people calling him racist and misogynistic, whodathunkit?

Finally I didn't call you personally anything and never will you chose to align yourself with a group I ridiculed, deservedly for being oversensitive attention ------.

I am not the only one who thinks this way, maybe the modern left has an optics problem, you know, their appearance doesn't reflect their intention, rather reminiscent of a great former president.?

 

[Darkwood]

How does this affect pensions DW? Surley this is about shorting, if any pension funds held shares in Gamestop, which I doubt, then they were due to lose anyway if the shorters (is that a word?) were correct in their gamble in the first place. Don't forget the shorters borrowed shares hoping the value would drop, so not good for pension funds.

What is occurring with Gamestop is sending shockwaves through the whole market, just look at global stock markets over the last 2 weeks as this story developed, also those who bet on the shortfall are often using finance tied to bigger companies who are all in on this insider trading, ultimately the panic here for many is not the loss of personal wealth but the fact this could be the catalyst for a financial crash that makes the one in 2007 look like small change, it has exposed illegal activities and now there is an attempt to use illegal activity to stop it running away and effecting everyone.
If you have a private pension you are likely to have been affected already, I know some who have been knocked back 2yrs in the value which long term isn't a worry but this could escalate and if panic sets in we will be looking at another crash in the wake of Corvid 19 that has already put us in depression in the financial sense.

I believe I saw a report only yesterday that says 70billion has been wiped off Wall Street in the wake of this.

PS - those welling in the glee of seeing the big boys getting a piece of their own medicine may be short lived, it like rejoicing you have killed the mouse hiding in the closet but ignoring the realisation you just burnt your house down doing it.

 

[nicebutdim]

The Biden conspiracy theory has been widely debunked. He wanted the prosecutor fired, but not for the reasons you think. I can't find any reference, that supports the theory, apart from that Republican report, which doesn't seem to be worth paper its written on

IMO, after reading looking at all the reports videos, Trumps behaviour before his speech & during fed the crowd, which resulted in the invasion of the Capitol building. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

But on your last point, at least we agree on something.

I didn't post any conspiracy therory, but pointed out Biden's crassness in relating the story and the convenient coincidence that this prosecutor's firing also impacted on an investigation into his son. At the very least he should have stepped aside from this issue, due to conflict of interests, and let someone else deal with it as would be the generally accepted path. You wouldn't defend Trump in such circumstances, so why would you not expect Biden to be held to the same standards?


The Trump speech does, and will continue to, divide opinion. I'm not asking that you change your opinion, but highlighted the fact that you had been unaware of the words he had spoken, due to selective reporting. We are all perfectly entitled to our own opinions, but should be able to form those opinions on the basis of having considered all the facts in any situation and not some of the facts as selected by those who might like us to share their views. It would be outrageous for a new outlet to edit most of those words and focus exclusively on the 'peacefully and patriotically' part, so I don't consider it to be any less outrageous when news outlets do the opposite.

Chances are we agree on quite a lot - all I'm trying to do is point out the ease with which media bias can skew our perspective.

 

[Darkwood]

Somebody queried me when I suggested the US system is rigged from within all the way up to the FBI, CIA ...

Just reflect on 2 cases here

-FBI Lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, will be fined $100 for fraudulently editing an email to lie to a FISA court in order to spy on the Trump campaign.
( Given the seriousness of this as well had this been against Obama what do you think the outcome would have been, noted he got 400hrs community service too.. this should have been a lengthy sentence.)

-Meanwhile, the DOJ is trying to put a Trump-supporter behind bars for 10-years for a MEME he posted in 2016.
(Had this been against Trump and not Hillary Clinton would we be seeing this even in court?... PS it was copied and done to Trump using the same meme, so far no arrests.)

This is by no means isolated cases here, this is prevalent throughout the system how one side is treated very different to the other, look into Hunter Biden on going case and look into who Joe the President has just assigned to the case... this definitely wouldn't be tolerated here in the UK even though we cannot claim to have the perfect system either.

 

[Midwest]

I didn't post any conspiracy therory, but pointed out Biden's crassness in relating the story and the convenient coincidence that this prosecutor's firing also impacted on an investigation into his son. At the very least he should have stepped aside from this issue, due to conflict of interests, and let someone else deal with it as would be the generally accepted path. You wouldn't defend Trump in such circumstances, so why would you not expect Biden to be held to the same standards?


The Trump speech does, and will continue to, divide opinion. I'm not asking that you change your opinion, but highlighted the fact that you had been unaware of the words he had spoken, due to selective reporting. We are all perfectly entitled to our own opinions, but should be able to form those opinions on the basis of having considered all the facts in any situation and not some of the facts as selected by those who might like us to share their views. It would be outrageous for a new outlet to edit most of those words and focus exclusively on the 'peacefully and patriotically' part, so I don't consider it to be any less outrageous when news outlets do the opposite.

Chances are we agree on quite a lot - all I'm trying to do is point out the ease with which media bias can skew our perspective.

If you have a read through the link I posted, you'll see his involvement was correct, as per his position as VP;


When Biden had his now-famous showdown with Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko in 2015, he was delivering a message not only from the United States, but from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. All three entities were focused on curtailing corruption in Ukraine, and all three were deeply suspicious that Poroshenko’s prosecutor was playing a familiar game of tamping down investigations as a form of political favoritism.

By all credible accounts, the prosecutor had slow-walked the investigation of the energy company that hired Biden’s son; so, if anything, the prosecutor was doing the Bidens a favor. Getting rid of him would do the opposite.

By contrast, Trump sought a public announcement from Ukraine that it was investigating the Bidens. Trump was pressing for something that fell outside the recommendations of federal agencies.

PolitiFact | Ask PolitiFact: Does a video show Joe Biden confessing to bribery? No

There are many other web sites with similar interpretation of this event. Interpretation I say, because us mere mortals would find it difficult to understand such a complex event. For my part, I don't consider Biden having any wrong doing here.

 

[Darkwood]

If you have a read through the link I posted, you'll see his involvement was correct, as per his position as VP;


When Biden had his now-famous showdown with Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko in 2015, he was delivering a message not only from the United States, but from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. All three entities were focused on curtailing corruption in Ukraine, and all three were deeply suspicious that Poroshenko’s prosecutor was playing a familiar game of tamping down investigations as a form of political favoritism.

By all credible accounts, the prosecutor had slow-walked the investigation of the energy company that hired Biden’s son; so, if anything, the prosecutor was doing the Bidens a favor. Getting rid of him would do the opposite.

By contrast, Trump sought a public announcement from Ukraine that it was investigating the Bidens. Trump was pressing for something that fell outside the recommendations of federal agencies.

PolitiFact | Ask PolitiFact: Does a video show Joe Biden confessing to bribery? No

There are many other web sites with similar interpretation of this event. Interpretation I say, because us mere mortals would find it difficult to understand such a complex event. For my part, I don't consider Biden having any wrong doing here.

This demonstrates the game of ping pong of opinions that are surrounding this case but let's look at this above the perspective of bias..

Burismo was already under multiple investigations at the time including from the UK before Hunter joined the Board, the USA were also following the progress of these investigations too, when Hunter joined the Board it put a conflict of interest for the US government into the mix and Joe Biden was 100% aware, even if we remove and ignore what Joe Biden is did and boasted about it is still an intolerable situation for the Vice President to be linked directly to Burismo through his son, especially when evidence produced in trial shows Hunter receiving 66,000 per month if I recall the exact figures and Joe Biden receiving large sums.
This is not just about Sons involvement on the board of a corrupt firm here but more so bribery and corruption throughout, if you were to read up on the case itself you will realise that you can omit the actions of Joe Biden in getting the prosecutor fired and we still see Hunter and Joe biden tied into bribery and corruption of a foreign nation.
Recent affidavit from the case has acknowledged both Hunter and Joe Biden were receiving money which can be shown in financial transaction data.

What we are seeing here from the left is damage control, what is't been put into question at all is whether Joe Biden was taking bribes, what is in question is the amount, that is where the trial is at now, not the validity of the allegations but the actually amount in question.