Wago box in a wall?

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Dave 85

Hypothetical one this
Can anyone see a reason why you shouldn't have a wago box plasterered into a wall as long as its in a safe zone
 
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Dave 85 said:
Hypothetical one this
Can anyone see a reason why you shouldn't have a wago box plasterered into a wall as long as its in a safe zone
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Is this a trick question Dave :) .... depends what's in the wago box. If it's wago's then it's technically not allowed as not an MF fitting. Just solder and double heat shrink it, jobs a good un.
 
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Wogo boxes are supposed to be MF, so there should not be an issue if they are behind the wall or not. Crimp or solder is a better deal and cheaper as well.

Why do you want to use a wogo instead of crimping and heat shrink - much cleaner finish and looks better as well
 
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So are wagos MF or not? I don't like crimping solid core, I can nearly always pull the joint apart if I pull hard enough even after buying a new CK crimper.

And yes I mean plastered into a solid wall, let's assume the circuit is dead while the filling is done
 
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The problem was that the fittings were not actually marked MF as required by 526.3(vi) so didn't comply. If you have one there take a peek at it.

I'd have no problem using them, other than that ... I think they're great. I prefer the lever ones to push fit, but in this case push fit would be better.
 
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yes wogos are MF - thats what they are claiming!

I cant see anything wrong with putting them in a wall - but why dont you put them into a box to give them a bit of air around them so if needed you can remove if needed in the future.

If you pull hard enough you will be able to pull the cable out of the wago boxes as well.


The issue is how hard you pull - there should not be any strain on the cable anyway - if your worried about strain on the cable then put clips either side of the joint to ensure that no strain is put on the cable - if you are putting strain on the cable you need to use a different type of cable
 
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telectrix said:
it says "persil washes whiter on buses", but they don't take in washing
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I think I was stood with you on the wago stand on Friday Tel. I was the one with the black fleece on. I looked at your badge and thought, I know that name from somewhere. When I walked away from the stand it dawned on me.
 
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I always thought Wago boxes were maintenance free. Thats the whole idea of them. Also you should NOT crimp solid conductors. Therefore a wago box would be much better than crimping.
 
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Right that's agreed then, they are MF, Im doing it the next time the opportunity arises. To be fair, as its plastered into a wall, noones gonna find out about it till im 80 anyway so I may as well just twist and tape.....

I agree with adammid above, crimps suck balls on solid core....and I don't even own a soldering iron.
 
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I asked at ELEX and they said they were undergoing testing at the moment. They don't have the MF mark on them so under BS7671 they are not officially maintenance free. Having said that who is to know?
 
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I've never used the official wago box so wouldn't know if they have a cord grip, if they have, I would think it's fine.
I use the Hagar MF JB's and know they are fine to hide in walls but as stated, I'd be a bit worried about wet plaster ingress.
 
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Tonkatoy27 said:
I've never used the official wago box so wouldn't know if they have a cord grip, if they have, I would think it's fine.
I use the Hagar MF JB's and know they are fine to hide in walls but as stated, I'd be a bit worried about wet plaster ingress.
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Hagar mf state "do not cover" so no, you can not build into solid wall
 
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I find it frustrating that they are still leading people to believe that WAGO are maintenance free.
Yes, the regs require a maintenance free accessory to have mf on them but the mf is not the technicality, it is the rating of the components inside.

The connectors also need to meet certain tests inside the enclosure they will be used in. wAGO have been singing the "currently undergoing testing" song since November last year. If they haven't passed yet they are unlikely ever to. I think it's time they came clean and confirmed that they do not meet BS7671 mf requirements.

Other than crimping etc, there are currently two options available for MF. Hager mf which can not be covered and LINE mf.
 
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Top Cat said:
Just used my first wago's today, brilliant!
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I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago, cant beleive how I got by without them. Its when you got like 6 or 7 lighting cables to put in a JB that has to fit through a 75mm downlighter hole......those were the times when I used to think "there must be an easier way"
Now there is. Did exactly this twice today infact with wago boxes.
 
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LineProducts said:
Hagar mf state "do not cover" so no, you can not build into solid wall
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Whats the flippin point of having a MF JB that you can't hide. Are they saying they aren't MF? What a waste of bloody time. I'll just stick to crimping which like others say, is a hit and miss affair with solid stand cables. Still, I can't remember any time that I've actually used them in walls anyway, only under floorboards.
 
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LineProducts said:
I find it frustrating that they are still leading people to believe that WAGO are maintenance free.
Yes, the regs require a maintenance free accessory to have mf on them but the mf is not the technicality, it is the rating of the components inside.

The connectors also need to meet certain tests inside the enclosure they will be used in. wAGO have been singing the "currently undergoing testing" song since November last year. If they haven't passed yet they are unlikely ever to. I think it's time they came clean and confirmed that they do not meet BS7671 mf requirements.

Other than crimping etc, there are currently two options available for MF. Hager mf which can not be covered and LINE mf.
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Please clarify the exact reason why Line products can be covered and Hagar can't. I'm confused. I checked with my biggest local wholesaler (Denmans) last week to see if he stocked LINE product, the manager didn't even know the brand name. Tomorrow I'm gonna check with Edmunsons, Devondale and Newy's, if they don't know about them you've got some marketing to do! ;0)
 
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Tonkatoy27 said:
Whats the flippin point of having a MF JB that you can't hide. Are they saying they aren't MF? What a waste of bloody time. I'll just stick to crimping which like others say, is a hit and miss affair with solid stand cables. Still, I can't remember any time that I've actually used them in walls anyway, only under floorboards.
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Just use the LineProducts "torpedoes" with their MF kit. (see the sponsor link to the right). Fantastic kit!
 
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well ive started crimping recently and love it. quick tug and cables under no strain jobs a gooden. i do like look of line products /wago products both the same but everytime i go to order of net it seems im spending about 80 quid on 50 junction boxes.. and put it off
 
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i=p/u said:
well ive started crimping recently and love it. quick tug and cables under no strain jobs a gooden. i do like look of line products /wago products both the same but everytime i go to order of net it seems im spending about 80 quid on 50 junction boxes.. and put it off
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Don't put it off mate. I got the wago contractors box (which is fantastic value), along with a box of Line enclosures. I also use the Line MF kits and top the wago box up with Line connectors (wago equivalent) when I need them. Set for anything now. Will never use a round junction box again :)
 
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Tonkatoy27 said:
Please clarify the exact reason why Line products can be covered and Hagar can't. I'm confused. I checked with my biggest local wholesaler (Denmans) last week to see if he stocked LINE product, the manager didn't even know the brand name. Tomorrow I'm gonna check with Edmunsons, Devondale and Newy's, if they don't know about them you've got some marketing to do! ;0)
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Devondale have stock! ... But yes, loads of marketing to do.... Get them to look in June pe.

Covering: enclosures/JB's that have the connectors integral, secured or held in place need to have additional testing for heat build up. This is because at least one face (usually more e.g. 6 in a wagobox)is covered by the body of the enclosure which reduces heat dissipation. If the jb is borderline pass then covering then enclosure will limit heat loss through the body further... Some heat will escape through the enclosure face that is covering the connector. If this heat loss is prevented it may push the connector into the fail zone. LINE ( or a wall box) leave connector with air all around so heat can escape from all 6 sides into the surrounding air and then dissipate through the entire surface of the enclosure.

The powers that be have proved this in a laboratory which is the reason for the extra tests. Connectors/connections are also not made to the same rating spec as cable so can not cope with the same logic for derating. As most failures and fires originate from faulty connections I do not think that this is acceptable but that's the BSI for you!
 
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Dave 85 said:
I only discovered them a couple of weeks ago, cant beleive how I got by without them. Its when you got like 6 or 7 lighting cables to put in a JB that has to fit through a 75mm downlighter hole......those were the times when I used to think "there must be an easier way"
Now there is. Did exactly this twice today infact with wago boxes.
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Dave, there is an easier way - try
LINE
 
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i=p/u said:
well ive started crimping recently and love it. quick tug and cables under no strain jobs a gooden. i do like look of line products /wago products both the same but everytime i go to order of net it seems im spending about 80 quid on 50 junction boxes.. and put it off
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Including VAT you should have a maximum spend of £1.50 per jb. Using push ins for solid core will bring it closer to £1.20.
Ifnyou are charging per job, the time saving will more than pay back.
 
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i know line products guy.im with ya on what your saying. you do know no1 stocks these in northern ireland, pm me if youd like myself to do a little contractor calling.

love a deal me
 
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Was raveing about the Line products to my local wholesaler (EPH supplies,spalding,Lincolnshire (now part of Edmundson group)) earlier this week. Showed the buyer the contractors pack and he was most impressed....hopeing he can make a deal and start stocking them as i'm terrible at thinking ahead and keeping stocks up meself.
 
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drew35 said:
Exactly what maintenance can you do to a Wago connector then??? They're sprung loaded!!! Of course they're maintenance free...!!!
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In this thread by Maintenance Free we are referring the definition of Maintenance free in BS7671 A1 clause 526.3 (vi)
A screwless connector is only part of the equation to meet this requirement.

Just as maintenance free car batteries can fail over time so can a screwless connector. Therefore the BS5733 requirement addresses long term (life of installation) performance and therefore is much tighter on other performance and safety matters. So, for BS7671 MF it needs to be BS5733 connector and enclosure.
 
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