Wago Junction boxes not meeting the requirements of BS7671

[philipkeaveney]

I havent came across any solid cores in years. All of the installations ive been involved in over the last few years would have been cabled in yy & cy cable which are trirated or xlpe which is stranded the only time ive worked with solid would have been with twin and earth

 

[stan794]

Mine arrived at the weekend, mmmmm. Will use them then go back to me go old Wagoboxes.

 

[Guest123]

It is so blindingly obvious that Fazhols IS line!

Dont think Admin knew....they soon will!!

 

[LineProducts]

I think a bit of common sense needs to come into the argument about the use of key or tool.

With regards to the lid or door then a wagobox is the same as a ceiling rose. They can both be opened without a tool or key and if installed CORRECTLY then no live parts are accessible. ie no live core can be touched.

From my understanding of what you are saying is that the Wago connectors can be twisted off or levers lifted etc etc. How far can a regulation cover stupidity? If people want to expose an obvious live part then they will. I mentioned the ceiling rose earlier, the live parts cannot be exposed without the use of a tool unless someone really wants to ie causing damage.

This makes ceiling roses with regards to the regs the same as Wago JB's. ie live parts can be exposed without use of a tool. Yet ceiling roses are fitted and used without any issues regarding compliance with the BRB.

Ultimately you need to choose if you want to work to bs7671 or not. It is not law until you sign the completion certificate . If you have not worked to bs7671 then please fill in the departures to bs7671. (ps bs7671 does make allowances for ceiling roses, es and bayonet fittings, ceiling switches).

 

[LineProducts]

You had me until....^^^:disguise:

Lenny,

I was not referring to the j 501.

As a senior person on this forum I would be interested in your opinion. Building regulations, not to mention the registration bodies encourage compliance with bs7671. BS 7671 deals with installation standards and refers to manufacturing standards - the reason is to promote safety. Is it acceptable for manufacturers to sell the trade products that do not meet the requirements of these standards whilst telling the trade that they do?

 

[stan794]

So would just adding a cable tie (like line) to a Wagobox make it comply?

 

[netblindpaul]

LineProducts,
I believe both Lenny & myself are concerned with similar areas of your terminology and its inaccuracy.
I will be contacting the IET in the coming few days and relating the inaccuracy of your posts and your inability to realise your errors.
Thus I then hope they will withdraw their request for you to write an article which would ridicule them.

 

[Guest123]

Lenny,

I was not referring to the j 501.

Nor I.

IMHO, as soon as a competitor mentions and attempts to demean a rival in a sales pitch, shows a distinct lack of total faith in their own products merits and looses all credibility in my eyes.

I'm out.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Ultimately you need to choose if you want to work to bs7671 or not. It is not law until you sign the completion certificate . If you have not worked to bs7671 then please fill in the departures to bs7671. (ps bs7671 does make allowances for ceiling roses, es and bayonet fittings, ceiling switches).

So we don't confuse those that are new to this industry, BS7671 is a non-statutory document. We dont want people reading this thread then failing or give an unsatisfactory report on the next PIR they do as the existing junction boxes installed may be seen as "illegal".