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Its not only dodgy imports. I have an Ashley JB (commonly available) that fails a safety requirement of BS EN 60670-22 as well as the Safety Acts.
You had me until....^^^:disguise:
Its not only dodgy imports. I have an Ashley JB (commonly available) that fails a safety requirement of BS EN 60670-22 as well as the Safety Acts.
I have just read the document you refer to with interest. Off course I would like you to use LINE and take advantage of our special forums deal, but if you want to go with WAGOBOX this is what you need to think about:
1) As explained in my comment above. 60670 - 22 is a manufacturing standard. Having a certificate does not mean that it will meet the installation standard.
2) the author does eventually focus on the main issue:BS7671 clause 412.2.2.3: "Where a lid or a door in an insulating enclosure can be opened without the use of a tool or a key, all conductive parts which are acessible if the lid or door is open shall be behind an isulating barrier ...(IPX2)... preventing a person coming unintentionally into contact with those conductive parts. "
I think we all agree that both the WAGOBOX and the old 6220 meet this requirement. However, the final line of 412.2.2.3 states: "This insulating barrier shall not be removeable without the use of a tool or key"
416.2.4 iii is more specific "..., by use of a tool or a keyto remove the intermediate barrier."
Reg 120.4 - innovation etc has in amendment A become 133.5 which states: "Where the use of a new material or invention leads to a departure.....the resulting degree of safety shall be NOT LESS than that obtained by compliance with the regulations. Such use is to be noted on the ...certificate"
So ask yourself:
a) once you have opened the enclosure can you remove the barrier (i.e. reach a live conductor) without a tool or a key?
b) is the situation less safe than the regulations request?
If either answer is yes......
i personally wouldnt use solid cores
It is so blindingly obvious that Fazhols IS line!
I think a bit of common sense needs to come into the argument about the use of key or tool.
With regards to the lid or door then a wagobox is the same as a ceiling rose. They can both be opened without a tool or key and if installed CORRECTLY then no live parts are accessible. ie no live core can be touched.
From my understanding of what you are saying is that the Wago connectors can be twisted off or levers lifted etc etc. How far can a regulation cover stupidity? If people want to expose an obvious live part then they will. I mentioned the ceiling rose earlier, the live parts cannot be exposed without the use of a tool unless someone really wants to ie causing damage.
This makes ceiling roses with regards to the regs the same as Wago JB's. ie live parts can be exposed without use of a tool. Yet ceiling roses are fitted and used without any issues regarding compliance with the BRB.
You had me until....^^^:disguise:
Lenny,
I was not referring to the j 501.
Ultimately you need to choose if you want to work to bs7671 or not. It is not law until you sign the completion certificate . If you have not worked to bs7671 then please fill in the departures to bs7671. (ps bs7671 does make allowances for ceiling roses, es and bayonet fittings, ceiling switches).