Wago push in connectors

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The real problem is with WAGOBOX. The wording in BS7671 is in legal speak so they have been avoiding this issue by arguing semantics. However, BS 5733 uses plain english and states:
11.1 Accessories shall be so constructed and enclosed that thereis protection against accidental contact with live parts when theaccessories are correctly assembled or mounted and connected fortheir intended purpose. Live parts shall not be accessible without theuse of a tool even after the removal of parts which can be removed​
without the use of a tool.
(if you think this is more onerous than BS7671
412.2.2; 412.2.2.1; 412.2.2.3416.2.1, 416.2.2; 416.2.4 - i would like to hear your reasons why.)
As the WAGOBOX can be opened without a tool or a key and the cables can be removed without a tool or a key they can not say it complies with MF and BS5733.

The best option is to use WAGO connectors but with an enclosure that does comply!
 
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DaveyD said:
I agree, apparently they are better now! Hmmmm.
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There bigger too, The main problem now is that twisting too hard and it's so easy for you to snap a conductor core without knowing it. leading to a high resistance joint.

Go look at the American Utube electrical video's, you'll see these nasty things just about everywhere in every back box. Don't forget, Yank back boxes are around 2 to 3 times the size of UK or European back boxes. Ours just don't have the room to include these things.. Anyone thinks these things look like a professional joint, i really do feel sorry for you.... lol!!
 
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Engineer54 said:
Not really, No!! Your still quoting the ''Man From Del Monte'' He and his company can class the wago's and the boxes ''maintenance free'' all they want, ...It still doesn't make them officially classified as Maintenance Free. That can only come from an official body like the IET etc... The sooner they get these connectors officially classified the better, everyone will then know, what they can be used for and what they can't!!!

I still wouldn't use them in CU up-grades/changes to extend existing cables. They would look the pits and not professional looking at all. Crimped and coloured heat shrink connections every time in that and similar situations....
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What are your thoughts that I was taught not to use crimps on solid cables. Crimps on stranded/ Connector blocks on solid. ??
 
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Taught by a lecturer who hasn't the experience, or is biased for some reason!!

You hear the same crap on here too, many times over. The fact is, when you use a good ratchet crimp tool, that will deform the solid core within a good quality butt ferrule, (or any other type of crimp ferrule come to that) then you will always get a sound maintenance free joint/connection.
 
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jaresquire said:
Agree about appearance of crimps, but I'm a big fan of Wagos eg for joining the neutrals in a switch :)
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Nothing wrong with Wago's, but there not suitable for every situation, and still require a box or enclosure!! I wouldn't use the standard wago's in a CU either, they just don't look a professional finish when you need to extend existing cables. So it would be Crimped joints every time in a CU replacement job!! lol!
 
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WA332X.jpg
looks ok to me.
just as good as din rail terminals
 
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Engineer54 said:
Taught by a lecturer who hasn't the experience, or is biased for some reason!!

You hear the same crap on here too, many times over. The fact is, when you use a good ratchet crimp tool, that will deform the solid core within a good quality butt ferrule, (or any other type of crimp ferrule come to that) then you will always get a sound maintenance free joint/connection.
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OKAY! But it it wasn't lecturers (what do they know) but good time served sparks who served up that nougat. Anyways, point taken. I was ken to hear your views. I always use a good ratchet crimper, but rarely have the need to crimp on the new installations I generally undertake, but good to know anyway.

Cheers.
 
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TBH, this argument/POV has only come about scince the 17th ed, up until then no-one battered an eyelid about using a 3 or 4 terminal JB and leaving it in a ceiling/under a floor
 
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I use them and you can still break a conductor in a screw terminal or have some badly installed socket where the installer has made a right pigs ear and left not much slack on cable, not long ago i had a socket change when i unscrewed the socket (hard to get screwdriver to terminals due to cable very short) the **** had snapped a screw head so had to cut socket out and no room to get crimp tool in so the helacons came in very handy ! if your a qualified spark and know what your doing and your work conforms to regs and its neat jobs a gooden !
 
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JamesBrownLive said:
They are standard Wago 3 pole 41A connectors mounted in a special DIN Rail carrier. 30p each, cheap as chips :ihih:
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That's what i was meaning, they are mounted in a made for purpose carrier. They are not left hanging free on the conductors they are connecting was my point. ...lol!!! Nothing wrong in that carrier set-up at all. Problem comes when you have many or all of the existing cables to extend, in most cases they'll be no room on the CU DIN rail to mount them in these carriers...
 
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DaveyD said:
I dont mean to sound pedantic but I believe you will find that's in fact cheaper than chips. Here to help.David.I have had no problems with either push fit halicons or wagos.
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From one pedant to another... Your 'dont' is missing an apostrophe :nono:


:tongue3:
 
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ive seen more push in connectors burnt out than i have connector block connections and most of those through over loading. i just think they are up for the loads that they are required to carry . just my opinion
 
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