Wagos - are they really maintenance free?

[DNS1]

Had some delivered for a lighting junction box which I need to wire and plaster in.

Surprised to find they don't show the "MF" logo, or a BS number.

According to the BGB, this means they're not suitable, but I've been told by a number of people that they are perfectly ok. Do Wagos normally have the MF stamp? Have I ended up with a copy version? (they came from eBay)

 

[jase]

wago conectors on their own do not meed the requirements of MF cos that have no cable clamps, but if used with something like a choc box or the line product enclosures then i imagine they do

 

[gottahugenoggin]

i have the wago enclosures and they dont have a mf logo as required.Nor do they require a tool to open.I think people get around that by using a tie wrap? From what i know the only MF junction box that meets all the standards is this the Ashley J804 MF junction box.
here's the link

You'll find them way cheaper but its the only link i could get to work

 

[jase]

line products are a sponsor on this forum, are their enclosures MF marked?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

line products are a sponsor on this forum, are their enclosures MF marked?

Not at present.

 

[gottahugenoggin]

Just been thinking and could wago/line enclosures ever bare the MF logo since a non MF terminals be used inside? (eg screw terminals?)

 

[jase]

good point, but who is gonna know if the jb is inaccesible?? lol, another load of ball ox if you ask me, maintenance free for inaccesible jb's? who is gonna know if they are inaccesible?? stick a normal old fashioned 30A JB under a laminate floor ( many of which have done the job for donkeys before 17th) and who is gonna know?

 

[gottahugenoggin]

so for my next question (sorry)
are the use of wago/line enclosures seen as an acceptable departure from the 7671 if they meet the current standard of a MF joint (eg tool to open,screw-less terminals,cable support ect) baring the fact they dont have the MF logo?

my understanding is that you can depart from the 7671 as long its as safe as what is stated in the 7671,surely lack of a MF logo doesn't make it any less safe.........Or do they not bare the MF logo due to the design of the enclosures,cable clamps ect?

 

[rick]

As Jase says, there must be hundreds of thousands of "old style" JBs under floors which have never given any trouble.

That said I use Wagos, in a Wagobox enclosure. Cable tie around if necessary.

Or alternatively, build a little trap door in the floor with a notice "open here for planned maintenance of Junction Box"

 

[Silly Sausage]

As Jase says, there must be hundreds of thousands of "old style" JBs under floors which have never given any trouble.

That said I use Wagos, in a Wagobox enclosure. Cable tie around if necessary.

Or alternatively, build a little trap door in the floor with a notice "open here for planned maintenance of Junction Box"

Hahahahahaaahaaa!!!

How often do you read threads about tracing faults which usually result at a round JB?
Any self respecting installation would cringe in horror at the use of jbs, hidden or otherwise.
All connections should be made at poit of use...rant over!

 

[rick]

Archy, I take your point mate. But not always practical pull up the entire floor to do that. Surely Wagos are the best bet in such a situation?

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Hager, formerly branded Ashley & Rock, claim that their J803 and J804 maintenance free junction boxes are the only ones on the market which meet the new junction box standard BS EN 60670-22 and the new revision of BS 5733 the maintenance free, push fit, terminal standard.

First UK Maintenance Free Junction Box To Meet 17th Edition Hager

[url]http://download.hager.com/hagergroup.co.uk/files_download/Ashley_Product_Information/Final FAQMFJBBS7671V2.pdf
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[Silly Sausage]

Archy, I take your point mate. But not always practical pull up the entire floor to do that. Surely Wagos are the best bet in such a situation?

Rick. Exactly. see red, should never have to For me the only thing that should be in an unaccessable place is a continuous piece of cable. To make a permanent cable to cable connection I'd crimp & shrink. Maybe use Wagos at accessories

 

[DNS1]

Out of interest, how would you do the following (what I'm about to do in my kitchen)

3 lighting fixtures (2x 230v, 1x 12v), switches for each on a single 3 gang fitting.

Each of the fixtures only has earth, line and neutral terminals, so junction boxes required for each.

The 12v light is an under-cupboard arrangement, so I could put a normal junction box on top of the wall mounted units along with the transformer.

The other 2 are a ceiling light and an outside light.

Where would you put the JBs for these? Only thing I can think of is to have a box in the wall, covered with a blanking plate. Not going to look too great...

This is a single story, flat roof extension so no access to the area above the ceiling.

 

[LineProducts]

You guys have identified some of the main issues in the Amendment 1 MF circus! I have wasted many hours (and fear many to come) trying to get some resolution from BS over BS5733.

Personally, I would rather use a product that doesnt meet the standard due to a missing label than use one that has the BS mark but actually fails a safety standard!

At this time, there are NO jb's/JB-connector combos that meet the full requirements of BS5733 for MF. I am working hard to source a connector that meets the BS5733 long term test. WAGO have said that they are too busy and will look at testing there connectors in the summer! (no gtee that they will pass).

Once I have found a compliant connector, I still have the problem of marking the enclosure....as how do I know what connector will be used in it? I am considering supplying a tag to attach when MF.

As soon as I have found a suitable connector I will post details on the forum.