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Had some delivered for a lighting junction box which I need to wire and plaster in.

Surprised to find they don't show the "MF" logo, or a BS number.

According to the BGB, this means they're not suitable, but I've been told by a number of people that they are perfectly ok. Do Wagos normally have the MF stamp? Have I ended up with a copy version? (they came from eBay)
 
oh dear think i may have upset someone! i was not casting aspersions on the connectors made by the company line products...indeed never having seen one, let alone used one i can't comment on there products.
i always try not to have ANY joins in inaccessible locations, and when rewiring will pull wiring back to an accessible position in a cupboard etc and fit an A/D box and make my joins there.
if carrying out a alteration before a laminate or tiled floor etc is laid, i will extend cables using crimp connections in a A/D box if the above option is impossible. using dome type trs glands on the entries.
my point about grip type push in connectors, is based upon the number of times i have had to repair the things when they have burned out...this is in equipment or the supply connections to equipment. not in fixed domestic wiring.
all i was trying to say is that, a properly installed, good qaulity J/B is a tried and tested means of installation that has stood the test of time...loose connections are due to incorrect installation/diy/wrong rating J/B...i have been to jobs that were wired in the 60's...the screws were as tight as the day they were installed
push connections are a new ideal in domestic wiring [they may have been around for 20 years but not in widespread use] so time will tell, if they are a reliable and safe choice...until then, i will stick with crimps in inaccessible locations within a A/D box.
new products come and go...remember heatshrink micc seals back in the 80's by pyro? great product! done a few fire alarm installs with those, and they fit the old imperial piro if you had an end gone down....problem was, after a few years they started breaking down, and were withdrawn from sale. i bet they were thoroughly tested as well!
 
Well, I have been converted to push connectors and love the line boxes. I think they give a far better connection than trying to massage a load of cables into badly designed round terminal boxes.
Additionally, most crimp connections I have seen from other sparkies have been shocking... many seem to use non-ratchet tools and cheap crimps resulting in awful connections...
 
This thread is nearly a year old supertoad and wago have only just received confirmation they can stamp their connection boxes with the MF stamp, i saw it in one of the electrical rags i was browsing, so up to me telling you this your boxes could not have been stamped MF and
 
only way i see is wait for future sparks starting getting call outs for burned wagos under floors. plastics may change its properties over time, springs can corrode, wires may oxidise and loose connection...

Good point Amlu. There are two matters to consider:
1) MF according to BS7671 and 2) Longevity

1) Only certain screwless connectors are classified as MF AFTER neccessary derating and subject to instalation instructrions specific to MF use).
2) The connectors that are MF as above are made of appropriate materials and tested to ensure that their lifespan will be at least that of the cables used.
 
oh dear think i may have upset someone! i was not casting aspersions on the connectors made by the company line products...indeed never having seen one, let alone used one i can't comment on there products.
i always try not to have ANY joins in inaccessible locations, and when rewiring will pull wiring back to an accessible position in a cupboard etc and fit an A/D box and make my joins there.
if carrying out a alteration before a laminate or tiled floor etc is laid, i will extend cables using crimp connections in a A/D box if the above option is impossible. using dome type trs glands on the entries.
my point about grip type push in connectors, is based upon the number of times i have had to repair the things when they have burned out...this is in equipment or the supply connections to equipment. not in fixed domestic wiring.
all i was trying to say is that, a properly installed, good qaulity J/B is a tried and tested means of installation that has stood the test of time...loose connections are due to incorrect installation/diy/wrong rating J/B...i have been to jobs that were wired in the 60's...the screws were as tight as the day they were installed
push connections are a new ideal in domestic wiring [they may have been around for 20 years but not in widespread use] so time will tell, if they are a reliable and safe choice...until then, i will stick with crimps in inaccessible locations within a A/D box.
new products come and go...remember heatshrink micc seals back in the 80's by pyro? great product! done a few fire alarm installs with those, and they fit the old imperial piro if you had an end gone down....problem was, after a few years they started breaking down, and were withdrawn from sale. i bet they were thoroughly tested as well!

Could not agree more, never had a problem with jb's in 50 years.
 
Technical words which in theory could have effects.
Yet to find evidence of them .
Do you work for a manufacturer of wagos?

It is possible to replicate this effect. Much of the regs relate to this e.g. having accessible connections/joints, Periodic inspections etc. Spring connections are used as military, space etc spec for this very reason.

Manufacturer of wagos, NO WAY. LINE manufactures its own range - equal or better but better value!
 
Then it wasn't installed correctly in the first place.
If installed correctly they are maintenance free, same as wagos (perhaps).

Can you please explain how to install a JB 'correctly'? This is a genuine question, as other than doing the screws up tight enough to hold the conductors but without crushing them flat I don't see what scope we have to get it wrong. Virtually all junction boxes I have come across have had loose screws, and I can't imagine every electrician in the past did them up that loose. I'd always put it down to thermal cycling.
 

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