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Dont be facetious, they are little mustard trees we plant in cotton wool on the window sill.
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Because, due to the vapour pressure of water, lack of wind and of direct sunlight there are few physical effects that will actually cause the water to volatalise.Wot about just using the washing line, to hang the wet washing on
And the missus is bone idle, good job she's a looker.
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Ah, sense. Well unfortunately this is a Hisense not bosch
There is little physical indication that the valve has opened although the winding resistance is in range and there is 240V to it.
The water exiting the machine is cold when the machine pumps it out so i dont think its a water/condenser issue, but could well be wrong.
Anyhow the F17 coincides with the high temp trip going.
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This will be the case in the end but it winds me up that we have had two "engineers" out to it and they were both clueless.
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Anyhow the F17 coincides with the high temp trip going.
So, .... I reckon the high temp trip activates because the circulating warmed air is too hot because the cooling provided by the condenser of the vapour laden hot air is inadequate because the condenser has an inadequate flow of cold water water through it because the inlet valve is obstructed in some way (its filter?) or not fully open or the condenser pipes are restricted - so the air gets hotter and hotter and more vapour laden (saturated) and useless for drying wet clothes with. Or something like this
I think these error codes may be standardised because Bosch and Siemens and Hisense use F17 for this problem. See comment by 'It looks great' in:
https://www.very.co.uk/hisense-wdbl...y-1400-spin-washer-dryer-white/1600320921.prd
If it was me I would buy this valve £20 - espares do a check will fit appliance service - and fit it myself to see if it was the problem as inidcated by F17 rather than faff about organising an 'engineer' to visit:
Hisense Washing Machine Valves | eSpares - https://www.espares.co.uk/search/ma3064pt1753/washing-machines/valves/hisense
Hisense Washing Machine Double Valve | eSpares - https://www.espares.co.uk/product/es1778482/washing-machine-double-valve?pageNumber=1&PartTypeId=1753&ManufacturerId=3064
So, .... I reckon the high temp trip activates because the circulating warmed air is too hot because the cooling provided by the condenser of the vapour laden hot air is inadequate because the condenser has an inadequate flow of cold water water through it because the inlet valve is obstructed in some way (its filter?) or not fully open or the condenser pipes are restricted - so the air gets hotter and hotter and more vapour laden (saturated) and useless for drying wet clothes with. Or something like this
I think these error codes may be standardised because Bosch and Siemens and Hisense use F17 for this problem. See comment by 'It looks great' in:
https://www.very.co.uk/hisense-wdbl...y-1400-spin-washer-dryer-white/1600320921.prd
If it was me I would buy this valve £20 - espares do a check will fit appliance service - and fit it myself to see if it was the problem as inidcated by F17 rather than faff about organising an 'engineer' to visit:
Hisense Washing Machine Valves | eSpares - https://www.espares.co.uk/search/ma3064pt1753/washing-machines/valves/hisense
Hisense Washing Machine Double Valve | eSpares - https://www.espares.co.uk/product/es1778482/washing-machine-double-valve?pageNumber=1&PartTypeId=1753&ManufacturerId=3064
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This is the valve in question.
Like I've said the discharge water is cold, if there was insufficient coolant id expext this to be hot or at least warm.
After putting it through several 30 min cycles I observed that for the first three minutes it balances out the load. Then the heating element is energised for a further three minutes then for the rest it basically recirculates this hot air.
I can get it to go F17 by powering down just after the three minute heat up and starting a new drying cycle.
I will read your link though, cheers.
Like I've said the discharge water is cold, if there was insufficient coolant id expext this to be hot or at least warm.
After putting it through several 30 min cycles I observed that for the first three minutes it balances out the load. Then the heating element is energised for a further three minutes then for the rest it basically recirculates this hot air.
I can get it to go F17 by powering down just after the three minute heat up and starting a new drying cycle.
I will read your link though, cheers.
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Vented Condenser dryers don't get as hot as open cycle air vented dryers and the closed cycle unvented condenser dryers are significantly cooler still - all they doing is producing warmed (not hot) dry unsaturated air to absorb water in the drum which is then condensed out and the air recirculated again. This might explain your observation that the exit water is cold - it is not much heat laden. All the heat transfer is constant temperature phase changes of water to vapour in the drum - vaporization- the clothes and air lose heat - latent heat of vaporization- and then vapour to water - condensation into water condensate and dried air in the condenser - latent heat of condensation given up and the air absorbs some of this heat and is recycled. The electric heater makes up for inevitable losses.
or something like this - explanation could be better but you get the gist.
or something like this - explanation could be better but you get the gist.
Things I remember about washer driers ..they were Carp ..
often had to take half the load out to dry it !
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General drying -depends a lot on how effective spin was ..
(none of these quick washes -need to add a long spin)
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Seasonal variation , once start wearing thicker cottons , from synthetics -- Cottons take for ever !
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(I always love a no detergent - Empty hot wash to de-gunk ..all these Fabric softener slimes )
Modern machines barely seem to have enough water in them these days.. ffs
often had to take half the load out to dry it !
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General drying -depends a lot on how effective spin was ..
(none of these quick washes -need to add a long spin)
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Seasonal variation , once start wearing thicker cottons , from synthetics -- Cottons take for ever !
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(I always love a no detergent - Empty hot wash to de-gunk ..all these Fabric softener slimes )
Modern machines barely seem to have enough water in them these days.. ffs
GBDamo: I wondered - I seem to live my life either wondered or wildered* - what you did to fix this problem?
* wildering - Google Search - https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB822GB822&sxsrf=ACYBGNQMDw27N_bJTMtYWoXzgOMDywtoRw%3A1577122545750&ei=8foAXr6vLYqCgAaE8ZwQ&q=wildering&oq=wildering&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i70i249j0i10j0j0i10l7.14108.28261..36078...3.5..0.184.2476.24j4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39i70i249j0i67j0i22i30j0i20i263j0i131j0i273i70i249j0i273j35i39j0i131i67j0i67i70i249.Xltn8nEWw8M
* wildering - Google Search - https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB822GB822&sxsrf=ACYBGNQMDw27N_bJTMtYWoXzgOMDywtoRw%3A1577122545750&ei=8foAXr6vLYqCgAaE8ZwQ&q=wildering&oq=wildering&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i70i249j0i10j0j0i10l7.14108.28261..36078...3.5..0.184.2476.24j4......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39i70i249j0i67j0i22i30j0i20i263j0i131j0i273i70i249j0i273j35i39j0i131i67j0i67i70i249.Xltn8nEWw8M
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Didn't, it's getting replaced.
The official line was "poor airflow to condenser"
Does worry me the next will do the same.
May be an interesting project to post pics of what ends up in
door filter trap / wagos /screws etc.
After a few cheap tissue disasters , I wonder if things are clogging somewhere.
(will only discover if can strip old machine ! )
(That exploring part of me -still very adventurous )
(If it doesn't need to go back together )
(Enemies include -ceased metal / welded plastic )
door filter trap / wagos /screws etc.
After a few cheap tissue disasters , I wonder if things are clogging somewhere.
(will only discover if can strip old machine ! )
(That exploring part of me -still very adventurous )
(If it doesn't need to go back together )
(Enemies include -ceased metal / welded plastic )
Pure speculation...Sounds like reduced performance from the blower fan or some obstruction. I have read how fabric conditioner can become coated on the temperature sensors which then acts as a layer of thermal insulation - if this was happening then the circulating air would be hotter and maybe detected by the over heat sensor as such.
I have coped now out from fixing our home's white goods and have insured them all for repair of replacement. Too difficult to kneel, bend or contort my body to be able to wrestle with modern machines.
I have coped now out from fixing our home's white goods and have insured them all for repair of replacement. Too difficult to kneel, bend or contort my body to be able to wrestle with modern machines.
Drunken thoughts.
Do these "snake oil "- Cure all - Washing machine "Survival pills" ..actually work on washer driers ... ?
Never owned -( nor wished to) a W/Drier
NOR bought AS advertised Snake Oil !
(Don't believe TV ads - the truth may be out there -but in a distorted form)
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a) Other thoughts are you in a hard or soft water area ?
b) Do you have a water softener .... (Visited plumb forum --oops)
Do these "snake oil "- Cure all - Washing machine "Survival pills" ..actually work on washer driers ... ?
Never owned -( nor wished to) a W/Drier
NOR bought AS advertised Snake Oil !
(Don't believe TV ads - the truth may be out there -but in a distorted form)
--
a) Other thoughts are you in a hard or soft water area ?
b) Do you have a water softener .... (Visited plumb forum --oops)
Random ,hunt for factors un-known.
(probably brain washed -by advert of "Crusty machine" ... )
Water flow good , heat transfer suspect ?
Do like too much softener /Bold theory.
(realization low temperatures will probably nullify those "sheet" products .
,just leaves that sticky goo product -For fresh tumble dried fragrence !)
(probably brain washed -by advert of "Crusty machine" ... )
Water flow good , heat transfer suspect ?
Do like too much softener /Bold theory.
(realization low temperatures will probably nullify those "sheet" products .
,just leaves that sticky goo product -For fresh tumble dried fragrence !)
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