Washing Machine in Bathroom

[Jackall]

Yes, the cupboard is already there (and with doors) but is within 3m of the bath, so I assume (looking at the relevant diagram showing a bathroom with a partition) that sockets are a no-no. There are already 2 FCUs in there (for the hot-air dryer and shaving socket/light) and I was going to spur off one of them for the washing machine. In the end, I think the lack of any RCD protection in the whole electrical system, and the even slight possibility of something going wrong even with an RCD-protected FCU - not so much electric shock, but mainly to do with whether the circuit could take the load if the dryer and shaver unit were also used at the same time for some reason - means that I don't want to take the risk, especially as I don't think it's worth paying for a LABC inspection or for an electrician to come round for such a relatively small job in the end. Unless he/she tries to persuade me to update the consumer unit, etc! Worth it, especially in the long run, I suppose, but at the moment...:juggle:

 

[jamsey]

I recently pat tested a holiday house in deepest darkest cornwall (near where they sacrifice chickens on Wednesdays) and found a washing machine in a bathroom but plugged in with the cable going through the wall into a socket, was a bit curious so asked to see the fuse board, there was no RCD and reviewable fuses I just pat tested it then informed the customer she needed a new c/u with rcd's and that the washing machine failed the pat test probably due the the back of it had rotted away and must not be in the bathroom regardless of what the installation man had said...

 

[jamsey]

I did all that with my iPhone just read it back and makes no sense but you get my drift, if not just sacrifice a chicken and see what happens lol

 

[oldtimer]

The one who'd rest the 3 bar leccy fire on the edge of the kiddies bath as its cold in there.

Thicko: "that's strange wonder why there's no socket on the bathroom...... I know extension lead"

2 years ago a Romanian in Glasgow did this killing his 29 year old wife and 6 month baby so as far as I am concerned thats why we in this country are conditioned not to have power in the bathroom and I am getting Bl00dy sick of hearing "yes but in my country"

 

[DPG]

I recently pat tested a holiday house in deepest darkest cornwall (near where they sacrifice chickens on Wednesdays) and found a washing machine in a bathroom but plugged in with the cable going through the wall into a socket, was a bit curious so asked to see the fuse board, there was no RCD and reviewable fuses I just pat tested it then informed the customer she needed a new c/u with rcd's and that the washing machine failed the pat test probably due the the back of it had rotted away and must not be in the bathroom regardless of what the installation man had said...

Definitely needs a whole new consumer unit? Daz

 

[Adam W]

I recently pat tested a holiday house in deepest darkest cornwall (near where they sacrifice chickens on Wednesdays) and found a washing machine in a bathroom but plugged in with the cable going through the wall into a socket, was a bit curious so asked to see the fuse board, there was no RCD and reviewable fuses I just pat tested it then informed the customer she needed a new c/u with rcd's and that the washing machine failed the pat test probably due the the back of it had rotted away and must not be in the bathroom regardless of what the installation man had said...

You can have a washing machine in a bathroom if certain criteria are met. I don't have my book to hand but there is a reg on it.

 

[trev]

2 years ago a Romanian in Glasgow did this killing his 29 year old wife and 6 month baby so as far as I am concerned thats why we in this country are conditioned not to have power in the bathroom and I am getting Bl00dy sick of hearing "yes but in my country"

I got asked to strip some stuff out of a bathroom for a landlord his tenant hit me with that when I told him I was not prepared to install a socket in there

 

[odawire]

Yes, the cupboard is already there (and with doors) but is within 3m of the bath, so I assume (looking at the relevant diagram showing a bathroom with a partition) that sockets are a no-no. There are already 2 FCUs in there (for the hot-air dryer and shaving socket/light) and I was going to spur off one of them for the washing machine. In the end, I think the lack of any RCD protection in the whole electrical system, and the even slight possibility of something going wrong even with an RCD-protected FCU - not so much electric shock, but mainly to do with whether the circuit could take the load if the dryer and shaver unit were also used at the same time for some reason - means that I don't want to take the risk, especially as I don't think it's worth paying for a LABC inspection or for an electrician to come round for such a relatively small job in the end. Unless he/she tries to persuade me to update the consumer unit, etc! Worth it, especially in the long run, I suppose, but at the moment...:juggle:

The 3 metre rule is irrelevant because its not in the same room, as is the need for rcd protection for the same reason.

 

[Outspoken]

OK so I'm new here, but why are people banging on about what the Johnny Foreigners do in their home nation, we are in the UK not the USA or, god forbid, France. We have the lowest electrical death rates per head of population in the developed world, we may bemoan the regs at times, but they were written the way they are because most people are thick and simply ignore common sense when it comes to the electricity in their homes.

Sockets in normal sized bathrooms is a stupid idea, washing machines or other white goods is equally stupid, but if you are going to be stupid, put a RCD on the thing at least and show some common sense.

 

[telectrix]

put a RCD on the thing at least and show some common sense.


band -aid on a severed limb, there. lost count of the number of RCDs that have faied to trip on test, but then press the magic button that the customer has never used and, presto, RCD works a treat then.

 

[oldtimer]

Yep I have said it before people come on here not just to get advice but to get the answer they are looking for. I have been asked twice funny enough by Johnny Foreigners and I gave them a full explanation why I said no to power in the bathroom and they were not pleased and no doubt kept getting people in until someone says ok mate £60 cash and its done. For me if there was a fatality I would charge the guy who put it in and the owner who instructed him for manslaughter .

I have also had to strip a socket out of a bathroom that was installed by Johnny Foreigner because the new owner did not think it was right

 

[Engineer54]

Yep I have said it before people come on here not just to get advice but to get the answer they are looking for. I have been asked twice funny enough by Johnny Foreigners and I gave them a full explanation why I said no to power in the bathroom and they were not pleased and no doubt kept getting people in until someone says ok mate £60 cash and its done. For me if there was a fatality I would charge the guy who put it in and the owner who instructed him for manslaughter .

I have also had to strip a socket out of a bathroom that was installed by Johnny Foreigner because the new owner did not think it was right

So explain again, why can't/shouldn't we have a protected socket outlet in a bathroom??
Are all the westernised countries like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, America, Canada, (and i could go on) all wrong and the UK is right?? I'm not talking about Eastern European countries here, they have very little in the way of electrical regulations, or they do but not adhered too... The idiots of this world span the globe, the last thing any country should be is a nanny state, that uses them as the common denominator...

 

[Ducksy]

The amount of homes I visit where someone has fitted an electric shower in a bedroom is on the increase

Shower tray right next to a socket outlet, and although the shower is on a nice shiny new RCD shower CCU, the old socket outlet is on a BS3036.

Recipe for disaster..... I always advise but what can you do.

 

[Outspoken]

So explain again, why can't/shouldn't we have a protected socket outlet in a bathroom??
Are all the westernised countries like Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, America, Canada, (and i could go on) all wrong and the UK is right?? I'm not talking about Eastern European countries here, they have very little in the way of electrical regulations, or they do but not adhered too... The idiots of this world span the globe, the last thing any country should be is a nanny state, that uses them as the common denominator...

It's not about a nanny state, it's about stopping people from killing other members of their family or visitors. Of course a person is able to run an extension lead into a bathroom, you cannot legislate out every idiotic action, but the fact is that putting a socket in a bathroom is simply a bad idea and other European states and the USA DO HAVE IT WRONG and their death rates by electric shock are a clear demonstration of this.

In this country, for many years, you have been able to install a safety socket in the form of a "shaver socket" that is connected to a the lighting circuit via an isolating transformer, these have a rating up to 6A though most are less. Please explain to me and the rest of the members here what you would possibly need in a bathroom that could not be powered by such a socket?? Justify the use of a standard, even if protected, 13A socket in Zone 1 of a bathroom??

 

[Engineer54]

Outspoken;765950]It's not about a nanny state, it's about stopping people from killing other members of their family or visitors. Of course a person is able to run an extension lead into a bathroom, you cannot legislate out every idiotic action, but the fact is that putting a socket in a bathroom is simply a bad idea and other European states and the USA DO HAVE IT WRONG and their death rates by electric shock are a clear demonstration of this.


In this country, for many years, you have been able to install a safety socket in the form of a "shaver socket" that is connected to a the lighting circuit via an isolating transformer, these have a rating up to 6A though most are less. Please explain to me and the rest of the members here what you would possibly need in a bathroom that could not be powered by such a socket?? Justify the use of a standard, even if protected, 13A socket in Zone 1 of a bathroom??

Really, can you substantiate that statement?? I wouldn't bother, as i know for a FACT that you can't!!

So you actually think that the use of an extension lead brought into the bathroom, is better than a sensibly placed 10mA protected socket outlet do you?? Wow!!!

Unless things have changed, your talking about a Shaver outlet, which used to be, as far as i remember, limited to 100VA. You obviously don't have any teenage daughters, or you wouldn't be asking that question!! Think along the lines of hairdryers, hair tongs, and the multitude of other girly electrical hair type appliances etc. ...lol!! As for positioning a socket outlet near a shower etc, ...have i said anything of the sort in this thread or anywhere else?? ...No, i've clearly stated, ''sensibly'' placed!! Your right about one thing though, you can't (and shouldn't) legistrate for every idiotic action!!

Think i've already stated, that i was myself inducted into this draconian No power sockets in bathrooms philosophy, until i started working overseas and found them being available in just about every country i've ever lived, visited and worked in.