Washing Machine in Bathroom

[amlu]

common practice to have it in the bathroom in continental Europe. seen that in Poland, Germany and France. Works in Japan too. Normally used with a waterproof socket behind the machine. Its a class 1 metal box, when properly earthed and protected should not be a problem. uk regs may see it different but there is many interpretations of the regs ;-)

 

[oldtimer]

what about just good practice

 

[Engineer54]

E54, I really don't care and I am only having a wind up, it's not personal and won't be. You think what you do and I think what i do, we are not agreeing because we are looking at this from different angles...it's not the end of the world and I certainly am not going to get into a spat over it...the devil in me was wondering how you would reply and how many LOL's you would add to your post.. LOL

That's fair enough!! lol!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well. first impressions...... don't uprate that fuse. it's probably protecting a 2.5mm cable ( radial ) and should stay at 15A. was the circuit originally for an immersion heater? i would seriously consider an alternative location for the washing machine, or buy one of these.

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oh,..so you`v had a go on genes reunited then Tel...

 

[tazz]

Find this strange...in the uk we allow 8kw showers right in the prime zone, we have 2kw hand dryers on 13a fused spurs, and we say yes but its protected by and rcd....reminds me of 15th edition...lets bond all aluminimum windows...lets bond all radiators, I think the type of installation is important here in relation to the oulet and protection used and the sizing of safe areas.

 

[Outspoken]

OK, well as I have said I do not touch domestic work, so any Regs that touch on this, unless they have spill over into what I do I have largely ignored as I have enough to worry about..

Interestingly in 701.413 (ii) it does indicate that a single socket outlet may be used as it appears under the title of Protective Measure: Electrical Separation

However with regards to washing machines and white good I would direct peoples attention to Reg 701.55 (iv - Xi) where it lists the types of fixed and permanently connected equipment that is currently allowed within Zone 1 for a room containing a fixed bath or shower, and white goods are not listed.

Thus as it stands, regardless of the rights/wrongs of installing a socket in a bathroom, RCD protected or not, it would be a serious deviation from the Regs to install a washing machine in the Bathroom.

Now if someone would like to challenge this interpretation by all means do.

 

[Engineer54]

Find this strange...in the uk we allow 8kw showers right in the prime zone, we have 2kw hand dryers on 13a fused spurs, and we say yes but its protected by and rcd....reminds me of 15th edition...lets bond all aluminimum windows...lets bond all radiators, I think the type of installation is important here in relation to the oulet and protection used and the sizing of safe areas.

Make that 10.8KW+ Showers!!

 

[Dubbo]

OK, well as I have said I do not touch domestic work, so any Regs that touch on this, unless they have spill over into what I do I have largely ignored as I have enough to worry about..

Interestingly in 701.413 (ii) it does indicate that a single socket outlet may be used as it appears under the title of Protective Measure: Electrical Separation

However with regards to washing machines and white good I would direct peoples attention to Reg 701.55 (iv - Xi) where it lists the types of fixed and permanently connected equipment that is currently allowed within Zone 1 for a room containing a fixed bath or shower, and white goods are not listed.

Thus as it stands, regardless of the rights/wrongs of installing a socket in a bathroom, RCD protected or not, it would be a serious deviation from the Regs to install a washing machine in the Bathroom.

Now if someone would like to challenge this interpretation by all means do.

First of all Hello I'm new to the for forum I am with the NICEIC as a domestic installer
You would find it very hard to fit a washing machine in zone 1 as this directly over the bath or shower , so if fitted in a bathroom it would be in zone 2 or outside the zones, you can according to guidance notes 7 page 23 fit a washing machine in zone 2 if it is IPX4 as per paragraph below

1.9 Other equipment, e.g. home laundry equipment
Current-using equipment such as washing machines and tumble-driers is permitted within zone 2 if it has a minimum degree of protection of IPX4 (if subject to water jets – at least IPX5 is required) and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. Such equipment must be supplied by means of a permanent connection unit located outside zone 2. Beyond 3 m horizontally from the boundary of zone 1 the equipment may be supplied by means of a plug and socket.

 

[Outspoken]

First of all Hello I'm new to the for forum I am with the NICEIC as a domestic installer
You would find it very hard to fit a washing machine in zone 1 as this directly over the bath or shower , so if fitted in a bathroom it would be in zone 2 or outside the zones, you can according to guidance notes 7 page 23 fit a washing machine in zone 2 if it is IPX4 as per paragraph below

1.9 Other equipment, e.g. home laundry equipment
Current-using equipment such as washing machines and tumble-driers is permitted within zone 2 if it has a minimum degree of protection of IPX4 (if subject to water jets – at least IPX5 is required) and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. Such equipment must be supplied by means of a permanent connection unit located outside zone 2. Beyond 3 m horizontally from the boundary of zone 1 the equipment may be supplied by means of a plug and socket.

Perhaps you might like to check your zones because they are not just directly above. No white goods are so water resistant as to be permissible in Zone 1. I would agree that zone 2 may be acceptable but you need to take into account the degradation of the exterior of the machine caused by steam and condensation, washing machines and tumble dryers are not designed with this in mind, they are meant to have the moisture/water inside them not outside.

 

[Dubbo]

Perhaps you might like to check your zones because they are not just directly above. No white goods are so water resistant as to be permissible in Zone 1. I would agree that zone 2 may be acceptable but you need to take into account the degradation of the exterior of the machine caused by steam and condensation, washing machines and tumble dryers are not designed with this in mind, they are meant to have the moisture/water inside them not outside.

Checked my zones and with acceptations of wet rooms.I would love to Know where is physically possible to put a washing machine in most bathrooms in zone1 and still take a bath or shower?. I never said zone1 was ok, you don't have to agree with me about zone2 I quoted the regs. The First question in this thread stated the washing machine is IPX4 so can go in zone2 degradation or not, its not what you would do but the regs say you can do it.

 

[oldtimer]

Most bathrooms are 2.5 x 2.5 metres but I have been in a bathroom that is bigger than most peoples livingroom ie 4 x 4 metres

Also when is this post going to stop lol

 

[Geordie Spark]

Most bathrooms are 2.5 x 2.5 metres but I have been in a bathroom that is bigger than most peoples livingroom ie 4 x 4 metres

Also when is this post going to stop lol

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[ackbarthestar]

Most bathrooms are 2.5 x 2.5 metres but I have been in a bathroom that is bigger than most peoples livingroom ie 4 x 4 metres

Also when is this post going to stop lol

Unlikely as it is a never ending saga, the zone changes seem to be on a regular basis.

 

[Outspoken]

Checked my zones and with acceptations of wet rooms.I would love to Know where is physically possible to put a washing machine in most bathrooms in zone1 and still take a bath or shower?. I never said zone1 was ok, you don't have to agree with me about zone2 I quoted the regs. The First question in this thread stated the washing machine is IPX4 so can go in zone2 degradation or not, its not what you would do but the regs say you can do it.

That is the whole point and why my original reply was a categorical no...the only homes that have bathrooms big enough for the kit to not be in zone 1 are likely to have kitchens or utility rooms big enough for the stuff in the first place, so it becomes a moot point.

If the washing machine is IPX4 rated, would love to see the details as I have never heard of one and an internet search throws up nothing, The socket outlet or fused spur should be 3m from the bath and to be rated to IP54 minimum.



Now you would be some kind of mug to put a washing machine within 600mm of a bath and so your not exactly left a lot of room here...by the way, if you think a washing machine chassis will not rot in the damp environs of a bath/shower room..good luck with that.

 

[tazz]

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