Wet room for disabled customer

[Guitarist]

Just a quick pick of your brains, guys.
Elderly disabled customer having a wet room installed (was a room with just a toilet but being extended a little). Firstly, it has quite a large window so is there any actual requirement for an extractor fan? Secondly, I will be fitting a standard 9.5kw shower but was wondering if this should be one specifically for disabled persons with anti-scold etc?
Many thanks.

 

[Des 56]

You really need to be careful what type of shower you fit. As a lot of posts have already stated the usual is the Mira Advance.
the reason this shower is used (spec of the health people - not the council) is because these showers have a large water tank inside them, this prevents water temperature fluctuations, as a disabled person may not be able to move out of the water flow if it suddenly gets hot, which normally happens on most showers when the toilet is flushed, washer fills, etc

This was the type of reply I was looking for when reading this thread,I believe showers for the disabled should take a broader range of function safety and consequences than for general persons,the councils don't spec high cost items because of their generosity

 

[Guitarist]

Firstly, credit to the OP for thinking of these points. It takes a good guy to think about things which would normally be taken for granted.

Secondly, and this will upset you all, the Competent Persons Register (www.http://www.competentperson.co.uk) now states that most bathroom refits are notifiable under Building Regs. Visit that site and download the little brochue. This shocked me as I owned one of the souths largest bathroom installation companies for many years.

In reality - it just ain't going to happen!!!!!!

In my humble view, just keep planning each job properly and don't make assumptions and you'll be fine.

Firstly, thank you

Secondly, I am part P registered, so this will be notified as part of the complete rewire (any good electrician will know what is notifiable and what is not). It's good that you point this out though, as many homeowners and electricians who aren't registered do indeed carry out this kind of work without notification.

 

[Super Dragpack]

Firstly, thank you

Secondly, I am part P registered, so this will be notified as part of the complete rewire (any good electrician will know what is notifiable and what is not). It's good that you point this out though, as many homeowners and electricians who aren't registered do indeed carry out this kind of work without notification.

Without a doubt, any electrics done within a bathroom is 100% notifiable and there is no way round this, BUT my point is that the website link above seems to indicate that the plumbing refit of the bathroom sanitarywear also needs notifying unless replacing like-for-like. I just can't see this being done by the average person.

 

[AP Electrical]

Without a doubt, any electrics done within a bathroom is 100% notifiable and there is no way round this, BUT my point is that the website link above seems to indicate that the plumbing refit of the bathroom sanitarywear also needs notifying unless replacing like-for-like. I just can't see this being done by the average person.

Depends on size of bathroom if outside zones and direct replacement not notifible, you can even replace shower like for like as long as you don't alter circuit.

 

[Super Dragpack]

Depends on size of bathroom if outside zones and direct replacement not notifible, you can even replace shower like for like as long as you don't alter circuit.

You're right. It's easy to forget these exclusions sometimes.

 

[Guitarist]

Depends on size of bathroom if outside zones and direct replacement not notifible, you can even replace shower like for like as long as you don't alter circuit.

Not about zones. Any room containing a bath or shower will be classed as that room, regardless of what zone the equipment is in. Agree that like for like does not need notifying though.

 

[AP Electrical]

Not about zones. Any room containing a bath or shower will be classed as that room, regardless of what zone the equipment is in. Agree that like for like does not need notifying though.

Meant asin 0.6m out of zone two for switch plates etc...

 

[Billythekid]

We too used to have a high failure rate of Mira Advance showers until one of them went bang big time and there was an investigation into it. Turned out to be the way the plumbers were connecting the water feed in. Too much heat transfer when they were soldering too close to the incoming joint. It was destroying components within the shower unit. They now solder their pipes before the unit goes on the wall and surprise surprise, no more failures.

I can assure you these 'faulty' units are nearly always installed/commissioned wrong/poorly. That is the biggest cause of failure - every unit leaves the factory tested, not 1 in 20, not 1 in 10, every unit (I've witnessed this with my very eyes). You're also correct in saying that these are approved by BEAB Care, If I recall correctly an aqua lisa product also meets their standards. Most likely a few more now though, been a while since I was involved with it all.

 

[Guitarist]

Meant asin 0.6m out of zone two for switch plates etc...

Whether the equipment is outside or inside zones, it is still notifiable unless it's like for like replacement in any room containing a bath or shower. Apologies if I misunderstood your post.

 

[rob28870]

Also, your client, probably qualifies for disabled VAT relief on the job (ask the VAT office for the form and details).

Redring Selectronic disabled showers might be a possible alternative to the the Mira if you're looking for one.

 

[Guitarist]

Also, your client, probably qualifies for disabled VAT relief on the job (ask the VAT office for the form and details).

Redring Selectronic disabled showers might be a possible alternative to the the Mira if you're looking for one.

Thanks for that, but I'm not VAT registered (don't have a big enough turnover)
He has decided on a standard temp-stabilised shower now.

 

[Kamikaze]

Thats just plain poor workmanship, they should always first fix, then connect the last fitting (compression or plastic speedfit) as theyre placing the shower on the wall, its just asking for trouble.

Have to agree with you there. Some plumbers drive me wild with their “I couldn’t care less” attitude. The amount of *********** (telling off if you like) I have given them over losing the little blanking inserts that clip onto the cover. Then again, I also think it’s a bad design by Mira.