What am I allowed to do in Scotland?

[R-fur]

SELCT are lobbying the Scottish Government to try and make it compulsory for all electricians to be a member of a scheme or work for someone who is. I am totally against this, it restricts proper fully qualified electricians but gives a free reign to companies who send unqualified staff out to do the work and have one qualified guy in the office signing off the test sheets

 

[Mike Johnson]

What is a fully qualified electrician? no such thing in England, is it different in Scotland?

 

[Jock from the north]

What is a fully qualified electrician? no such thing in England, is it different in Scotland?

What is a fully qualified electrician? no such thing in England, is it different in Scotland?

No .qualified electrician. But the iet have used the term on some of there literature.i guess it could mean your fully qualified regarding the scope of your work

 

[Mike Johnson]

No .qualified electrician. But the iet have used the term on some of there literature.i guess it could mean your fully qualified regarding the scope of your work

Afraid you will have to explain that too me, as far as I understand it there is no such qualification recognised by any statute in Scotland or the UK.

 

[Jock from the north]

Afraid you will have to explain that too me, as far as I understand it there is no such qualification recognised by any statute in Scotland or the UK.

I take your word for it ,I'm unfamiliar with legal wording regarding qualifications recognised by law in the UK.i hope never to have to find out with regards to standing in a court of law .looking at past grade cards it says the registered holder holds the qualifications listed on reverse .that's why I mentioned scope of work .you maybe qualified in the requirements for electrical installations 18th eddition 2022 .but I believe for the sake of simplicity concerning customers describing your self as a qualified electrician is easier than saying I hold the relevent qualifications for several different qualifications achieved .what would you describe yourself as ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

I would never describe myself as a qualified anything when the so call qualifications are not recognised by the Regulating authority i.e. the UK Government in a statute, all of the available so called qualifications are from made up organisations that purport to be either a training organisation or publish (miss leading) document saying they are Regulations when in fact they are just their interpretation of a BS and published by the IEE as "Regulations" the IEE document goes a long way toward this, but has not been adopted into statute and issued by the Secretary of State and therefore are not UK Regulations. The electrical industry needs a UK Government recognised body (institute or Association) and sanctioned training organisation that "want to be electricians" can join/attend and become members of with examinations (not multi choice) which prove they have the required skills and not just sat in a class room and had a BS read to them, certainly if electricians wish to be accepted as professionals within the construction industry this will need to change. The problem existing electricians have is they are so many that to implement and obtain that change will be almost impossible, but only almost, new and budding electricians could be the new breed or professionals that the industry is crying out for, never know may be able to charge a living wage or dare I say fee for their work as a percentage of the overall value of a contract, or am I being too ambitious.

 

[Jock from the north]

Certainly I would never describe myself as a fully qualified anything when the so call qualifications are not recognised by the Regulating authority i.e. the UK Government in a statute, all of the available so called qualifications are from made up organisations that purport to be either a training organisation or publish (miss leading) document saying they are Regulations when in fact they are just their interpretation of a BS and published by the IEE as "Regulations" the IEE document goes a long way toward this, but has not been adopted into statute and issued by the Secretary of State and therefore are not UK Regulations. The electrical industry needs a UK Government recognised body (institute or Association) and sanctioned training organisation that "want to be electricians" can join/attend and become members of with examinations (not multi choice) which prove they have the required skills and not just sat in a class room and had a BS read to them, certainly if electricians wish to be accepted as professionals within the construction industry this will need to change.

Probably never going to happen when there's to much money to be made from schemes like napit etc.scotland has the sqa which describes itself as a non departmental body that reports directly to the scottish government.

 

[megaohm]

I'm looking to remove the shaver socket in our bathroom because it's never been used, but apparently this might be "notifiable" or "certifiable" under updated regs as it's "altering" a circuit in the bathroom.

A google led me to Part P but this doesn't apply in Scotland. So...searching and trying to navigate the Scottish building regs is a total mess, going round in circles. It's like someone has taken Part P and re-written it into 80 pages. I'm reading stuff about competent person is no longer applicable and now has to be done by a "qualified" person but they don't specify what qualified actually means. I've been out of the industry for about 30 years but I have a degree is in EEE. I'm sure that I'm competent enough to remove the socket and make it safe - but am I qualified?

Surely I don't need to pay a spark to do this and certify it? Can anyone clarify?

Back to the original question...

Its a slight simplification but in scotland if the work is on a bungalow or 2 story house then almost nothing is notifiable, whereas in a flat or 3 story house almost everything is notifiable. If the OP is in a normal house then the work is not notifiable.

 

[Jock from the north]

I would never describe myself as a qualified anything when the so call qualifications are not recognised by the Regulating authority i.e. the UK Government in a statute, all of the available so called qualifications are from made up organisations that purport to be either a training organisation or publish (miss leading) document saying they are Regulations when in fact they are just their interpretation of a BS and published by the IEE as "Regulations" the IEE document goes a long way toward this, but has not been adopted into statute and issued by the Secretary of State and therefore are not UK Regulations. The electrical industry needs a UK Government recognised body (institute or Association) and sanctioned training organisation that "want to be electricians" can join/attend and become members of with examinations (not multi choice) which prove they have the required skills and not just sat in a class room and had a BS read to them, certainly if electricians wish to be accepted as professionals within the construction industry this will need to change. The problem existing electricians have is they are so many that to implement and obtain that change will be almost impossible, but only almost, new and budding electricians could be the new breed or professionals that the industry is crying out for, never know may be able to charge a living wage or dare I say fee for their work as a percentage of the overall value of a contract, or am I being too ambitious.

I'm not certain myself but if for instance an experienced electrician who had kept up all relevent training who found themselves in a uk court on manslughter charges due to some incident in there work place then a judge or prosecutor might very well refer to them as a qualified electrician .I'm no expert on law but I believe common law can make decisions through former judicial decisions rather than statutes .the prosecutor might make it his/her buissness to persuade the judge and jury that the person is qualified due to all there extensive training ,even if it was delivered via a recognised body [and not a uk Government body]which I believe select in Scotland are [there very cosy with the snp]then when your in jail awaiting appeal you can call yourself a qualified electrician. Most of this I gleamed from the Internet but not all.ive been on jury duty on an armed robbery case lasting 2 weeks and I've seen the way the defence and Lord advocate operate

I would never describe myself as a qualified anything when the so call qualifications are not recognised by the Regulating authority i.e. the UK Government in a statute, all of the available so called qualifications are from made up organisations that purport to be either a training organisation or publish (miss leading) document saying they are Regulations when in fact they are just their interpretation of a BS and published by the IEE as "Regulations" the IEE document goes a long way toward this, but has not been adopted into statute and issued by the Secretary of State and therefore are not UK Regulations. The electrical industry needs a UK Government recognised body (institute or Association) and sanctioned training organisation that "want to be electricians" can join/attend and become members of with examinations (not multi choice) which prove they have the required skills and not just sat in a class room and had a BS read to them, certainly if electricians wish to be accepted as professionals within the construction industry this will need to change. The problem existing electricians have is they are so many that to implement and obtain that change will be almost impossible, but only almost, new and budding electricians could be the new breed or professionals that the industry is crying out for, never know may be able to charge a living wage or dare I say fee for their work as a percentage of the overall value of a contract, or am I being too ambitious.