What is a qualified electrician

[Des 56]

Having seen quite few threads on this subject,whilst looking at the IET forum this subject was posted

The link given was for a judicial ruling on what constitutes a qualified electrician

The summary was interesting,and may end the debate with regard training periods and other contentious issues

Here is a link,your thoughts are appreciated


What Is A "Qualified Electrician"? | My Local Electrician

 

[jason jones]

the bloke i spoke to at the jib dismissed the idea out of hand. just kept saying nvq 3 like a robot.

 

[Electricalserv]

the bloke i spoke to at the jib dismissed the idea out of hand. just kept saying nvq 3 like a robot.

Someone will jump on this NVQ3 soon and make a shed load of money from it. Just set up a big warehouse for non-apprentices to do these installs.

 

[jason jones]

brill idea. should get some pipe fitters and ductors in after day one to make us move whats been done cuz its in their way just to make it a touch more realistic.

 

[topquark]

I have to agree that the best way to get experience at present is with an apprenticeship. The only problem I have with the apprenticeship/NVQ being the only route is: someone who goes the route of 'A'/'AS' Level or HND (HNC excluded) then (optionally) Degree could not then easily "take up the tools" at a later date and that just seems wrong to me. There must be a better way of getting "accreditation" (for want of a better word) on the practical side.

Could that be done by the incumbent sitting an AM2 (or whatever 2357 will have as it's final test) and that completing the qualification process or would there need to be more to it than that?

 

[Engineer54]

I have to agree that the best way to get experience at present is with an apprenticeship. The only problem I have with the apprenticeship/NVQ being the only route is: someone who goes the route of 'A'/'AS' Level or HND (HNC excluded) then (optionally) Degree could not then easily "take up the tools" at a later date and that just seems wrong to me. There must be a better way of getting "accreditation" (for want of a better word) on the practical side.

There is a way to go that route Topquark, well there was anyway, ...by way of a ''Sandwich'' degree course. Takes a little longer, ..4 years instead of the usual 3 years. It works very much the same way as block release training works, roughly at a ratio of 2/3rds collage/study and 1/3rd per semester on site work experience, plus of course any national educational holiday periods. Most of these degree schemes are company sponsored, so after the employee graduates, he isn't coming into the company work place ''Green'' as many of the normal graduates would certainly be...

As i say, not at all sure if the major companies still work this degree scheme, but it was certainly well utilised in the past!!!

 

[oldtimer]

Someone will jump on this NVQ3 soon and make a shed load of money from it. Just set up a big warehouse for non-apprentices to do these installs.

Thats the whole idea in other words have a money making machine by selling the courses and get the JIB on board and its hey Merry Xmas to one and all an while you are at it once you are qualified you will need someone to register with and we get even more buckarooos from that plus the clever bit is we give you a £5 t shirt with our logo on it and you run about shouting look at me I am official and tut tut you cant do that your not registered like what I am and somebody pipes up so how come you did not have to be registered years ago then..............................................

And dont forget you cumpulsary safety course at £60 a pop every three years plus £25 to renew your SJIB (I live in Scotland) card because it is no longer valid as your safety cert has run out

 

[topquark]

There is a way to go that route Topquark, well there was anyway, ...by way of a ''Sandwich'' degree course. Takes a little longer, ..4 years instead of the usual 3 years. It works very much the same way as block release training works, roughly at a ratio of 2/3rds collage/study and 1/3rd per semester on site work experience, plus of course any national educational holiday periods. Most of these degree schemes are company sponsored, so after the employee graduates, he isn't coming into the company work place ''Green'' as many of the normal graduates would certainly be...

As i say, not at all sure if the major companies still work this degree scheme, but it was certainly well utilised in the past!!!

They don't anymore mate (at least not at Degree level, you can do HNC as a pre qual). That's kinda my point, also that you'd have to decide in advance that's what you wanted to do. The problem being is that some won't know that's what they want to do in advance. So the only way we'll get good sparks is by those that decide up front to do an apprenticeship. With more and more doing degrees straight from college and the increase in school leaving age, I can see the field suffering from lack of skilled youngsters and that will lead to more "learn it quick" type qualifications.

 

[Electricalserv]

Thats the whole idea in other words have a money making machine by selling the courses and get the JIB on board and its hey Merry Xmas to one and all an while you are at it once you are qualified you will need someone to register with and we get even more buckarooos from that plus the clever bit is we give you a £5 t shirt with our logo on it and you run about shouting look at me I am official and tut tut you cant do that your not registered like what I am and somebody pipes up so how come you did not have to be registered years ago then..............................................

And dont forget you cumpulsary safety course at £60 a pop every three years plus £25 to renew your SJIB (I live in Scotland) card because it is no longer valid as your safety cert has run out

Agreed, agreed, agreed.... money making rackets...

I was thinking just yesterday. The people who have benefited from this are the schemes.


It would be good to see just how many companies have arisen because of this recession. I started mine because no-one had work for me so I decided to find my own work!

 

[oldtimer]

Agreed, agreed, agreed.... money making rackets...

I was thinking just yesterday. The people who have benefited from this are the schemes.


It would be good to see just how many companies have arisen because of this recession. I started mine because no-one had work for me so I decided to find my own work!

Well said that man who knows we might even get ourselves organised to bring some common sense to this whole mess and it is a mess

 

[SMB]

I am certainly an electrician.

Ive worked in domestic environments.
Ive worked in industrial environments.
Ive worked in commercial environments.
ive worked in marine environments.



Im really rubbish at all the above....sort of...(i can bend pipe..nearly)



I don't chain smoke.









god save the queen.



BLAH.

 

[SMB]

However......

IM NOT AN ENGINEER.....

 

[SMB]

and im 42.

 

[SMB]

not 54.

 

[SMB]

And where it works i put neutrals into switch boxes......

 

[topquark]

and im 42.

Does that mean you have the answers to everything?