What is an Ancillary Operative card good for?

[londonsparky2]

What kinds of jobs is an Ancillary Operative card good for?

I have worked as an electrician for over 7 years in my native Tunisia. I have a degree from a university there which was evaluated at NVQ 3 - 4 by NARIC. I have 17th Edition wiring, and the Health & Safety. I applied for a Gold ECS Electrical Installer card and got this instead.

What can I do with this?

I was hoping to open my own business doing residential electrical work.

 

[Richard Burns]

If you have qualifications that are comparable to the UK NVQ3 for Electroctechnical installation then this may, after some effort by you, be recognised.
It looks like they have not currently accepted your qualifications.

Ancillary Operatives
If operatives do not meet the technical or vocational standards to quality for a skilled ECS card (and are not apprentices or trainees), the scheme provides a white card with a brown stripe.

Even though you have the NARIC comparison JIB / ECS do not accept this as suitable if you read their frequently asked questions here they give details of how to approach non UK qualifications and get yourself assessed.

If you have the current 17th edition qualification then the self certification schemes would likely accept you onto their scheme and permit you to notify building control of your notifiable work at a lower cost than direct notification, which would then permit a valid business model for residential electrical work.

 

[londonsparky2]

If you have the current 17th edition qualification then the self certification schemes would likely accept you onto their scheme and permit you to notify building control of your notifiable work at a lower cost than direct notification, which would then permit a valid business model for residential electrical work.

Thank you for replying. ECS wanted over 700 Pounds to assess the qualifications, this is after they instructed me to have it evaluated by NARIC at a cost of over 100 Pounds. I didn't and don't have that money. That's a LOT of money to spend on getting qualifications evaluated. The problem is that none of their customer service reps are consistent. Everytime you finish one qualification, they add something else. It's like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing there and all the conflicting information makes it problematic and overly expensive. I am not originally from the UK and therefore am not familiar with the education system here so have no clue whatsoever what some of the things they are asking for are.

Anyway, forget that for a moment. Can you tell me where to find information or how to get on one of those "self certification schemes"? I passed the 17th edition about a month ago and the Health and Safety about a week after, so everything is current.

I am so peeved that they didn't give me a Gold card. I have worked in the construction industry in Malta doing jobs alone, as well as in my native Tunisia. I sent letters from my former employer in Tunisia stating clearly that I worked as a supervisor there. Plus the evaluation from NARIC which clearly states I have more than the required qualification to work as an electrician. There is no reason for them not to give me the Gold card. It's truly disheartening.

 

[Engineer54]

Think yourself lucky that you can work legitimately in the UK with just the 17th edition under your belt, because i can assure you that you wouldn't be allowed that privilege in any other European country, or in Australia or New Zealand. ...In fact i can't think of ANY country with a defined recognised education/training route for electricians that would allow you to work as an electrician, without your present qualifications being adjudicated as being equivalent to that countries minimum recognised standard. That probably also includes your country (Tunisia) too.....

 

[Richard Burns]

The JIB /ECS are a law unto themselves as regards card issuing, do not worry too much about it, having the ancillary operative card would get you access to most construction sites and if you showed them your Tunisian qualifications and the NARIC mapping then you would probably be permitted to work as an electrician, however as you are not intending to work on construction sites or on government contracts this does not apply.

This is the details of the competent person schemes, they are only there to permit you to self certify compliance with the building regulations where this is required as specified in the approved document part P, (and possibly do some safety awareness but this is not noticeable.)
Their registration fees are about £4-500, sorry.

Competent person schemes
These are the most frequently used schemes:
Ascertiva Group Limited
NICEIC
www.ascertiva.com
01582 531
000
ECA Certification Limited

ELECSA
www.elecsa.co.uk
0845 634 9043

Both of the above are now Certsure

NAPIT Registration Limited
NAPIT
www.napit.org.uk
0845 543 0330

Stroma Certification Limited
STROMA
www.stroma.com
0845 621 1111

These are also schemes that provide the same service:

Association of Plumbing and Heating Contractors (Certification) Limited
APHC
www.competentpersonsscheme.co.uk
0121 711 5030
Benchmark Certification Limited
Benchmark
Defined scope only
www.benchmark-cert.co.uk
0238 051 7069

British Standards Institution
BSI
www.kitemark.com
01442 278 607
Full scope only

Building Engineering Services Competence Assessment Limited
BESCA
www.besca.org.uk
0800 652 5533

 

[londonsparky2]

Thank you very much. I called NECEIC and got it sorted out. Much appreciated.

 

[Adrian Kobsin]

hello my name is Adrian.
I need some info regarding my job experience in romania and italy.
I have a three years experience in romania as electrician in overhead power lines of 20 kv,assemblies ,(test and maintenance)of high voltage power cabins.
In Italy 7 years always as electrician for domestic and commercial electrical installations.
I made two domestic electrical installations with home automation ..
I have send my vocational traning degree to naric for conversion to uk standard's and I found that my qualification is an EVQ3.
In two words I am a fully skilled electrician.
My question is:why the JIB doesn't recognize my experience?I have all the papers translated and certified proof.
I have applied for an ECS electrician card pass the exam and I received an ancillary operative card.
Can I get a job as an electrician with this card?


Thank's in advance

 

[Geordie Spark]

What kinds of jobs is an Ancillary Operative card good for?

I have worked as an electrician for over 7 years in my native Tunisia. I have a degree from a university there which was evaluated at NVQ 3 - 4 by NARIC. I have 17th Edition wiring, and the Health & Safety. I applied for a Gold ECS Electrical Installer card and got this instead.

What can I do with this?

I was hoping to open my own business doing residential electrical work.

Scraping ice from the van windscreen.

 

[Adrian Kobsin]

I'm sorry I do not understand the expression
could you give me a allmost right anser of my question?
thank's mate

 

[R G]

Scraping ice from the van windscreen.

:santa1:

 

[trev]

hello my name is Adrian.
I need some info regarding my job experience in romania and italy.
I have a three years experience in romania as electrician in overhead power lines of 20 kv,assemblies ,(test and maintenance)of high voltage power cabins.
In Italy 7 years always as electrician for domestic and commercial electrical installations.
I made two domestic electrical installations with home automation ..
I have send my vocational traning degree to naric for conversion to uk standard's and I found that my qualification is an EVQ3.
In two words I am a fully skilled electrician.
My question is:why the JIB doesn't recognize my experience?I have all the papers translated and certified proof.
I have applied for an ECS electrician card pass the exam and I received an ancillary operative card.
Can I get a job as an electrician with this card?


Thank's in advance

Adrian, your best bet would be to ring the JIB and ask them the question mate.
You will be able to get work with the card you have but will it be the kind of work you want? That's debatable.

 

[Adrian Kobsin]

Adrian, your best bet would be to ring the JIB and ask them the question mate.
You will be able to get work with the card you have but will it be the kind of work you want? That's debatable.

thank's mate.

 

[Guest77]

Scraping ice from the van windscreen.

HAHA, Bloody hilarious, that make me cry out with laughter, you old goat you pmsl

 

[VoltzElectrical]

You don't need a JIB card to setup a domestic installer business. You do need capital though, and if you don't have £700. you're not going to get far setting up a business in London.

 

[Knobhead]

I'm sorry I do not understand the expression
could you give me a allmost right anser of my question?
thank's mate

If you don’t understand that how do you hope to survive in business?