What is needed to produce relevant inspection and testing certificates?

[Pat Butcher]

HelloI was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction! Basically I wanted to know What is needed to be able to test, inspect and certificate my own work as an electrician?So I can basically sign off my own work, producer periodic inspection certificates, schedule of inspection and all the other relevant documents if going at it alone as a self employed electricianThank you

 

[Silly Sausage]

Not legally yet but under new proposals maybe allowed to get third person to carry out a Periodic inspection and test but i here people do that now lol and some that sign for design and construction and a second person to sign the I&T

and my argument was if your qualified to I&T and cert and have to according to the regs then why should you have to get a council who will appoint a qualified and assessed competent enterprise third party to I&T your work

In Part P it gives the impression that non certified but competent guys should be able to do notifiable work without having to pay the full wack. But the way Part P is written, the council just treat anyone who isn't Self certified as a DIYer and charge you the max they can. The proposed changes, when I read them, claim to make it easier for the likes of me (as above), but, I suspect, it'll be cleverly written that it'll make bog all difference.
It's an easy making money scheme for the council and the....'schemes'
And they wonder why people ignore 'The Law' sometimes.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Follow up to previous post.
I very rarely do domestic work, got asked to do a CU change a month or so back, that's why I checked with the council about all this, £319, I turned it down.
Me mate told me tonight that the job in question has been done, no certs or anything, he's slagging me off for bringing the notification subject up. I think he's right, the customer couldn't care less.

Baffled of Manchester.

 

[Des 56]

Archie
I have stated many times on here, that a few of my sparky mates have had nothing to do with part p since its inception
they have neither been concerned or affected in any way by its presence

If you do an install as per the regs,no judge in this land would consider wasting his time sitting hearing about an installation that is safe, and the only accusation was non notification

It has never happened and likely never will
Do the work and ignore the nonsense part p and there will be no cost and no repurcussions

 

[Silly Sausage]

Des, cheers, that's the conclusion I'm rapidly coming to.
I was quite to pay say £50 to keep everything above board. I just think balderdash to them now, I know I can decent job.
By charging too much they're cutting they own throats, as it were(?!?!??)

 

[brucelee]

Yes mate customers just want it to work for cheapest price taking nothing into consideration except the cost and getting the max for as little as possible

they dont want to know about schemes , registration costs, experience, notification , labc basically anything except cheapest for the max amount

and when you try to explain part P and the building regs , Bs7671 eawr etc etc

its to much information like the first time i read it all lol all they want to know is how cheap

Paying LABC for each job is a scam but so is paying a scheme for yearly fees and notifications etc
especially for the industruial commercial sparks who just want to do some alterations here and there for thereselves or friends etc have more than enough experience and competence but unless paying a large fee cant legally do this is a joke

they should be reducing the fees, red tape and make it so all electrical work has to be completed by someone who is a qualified experienced for the work they undertake but not charge them the earth on top of all the other fees for courses, Books, Testers etc etc

 

[Silly Sausage]

At the risk of perpetually repeating myself, I agree with what say there. I think the councils & schemes are in bed with each other. You're near Manc, try ringing them next week, saying you're qualified up to the hilt but not certified and see what they say!

I'm off to listen to Neil Young now...

 

[Knobhead]

OK I’m going in the face of convention (as usual).

But until part P is vilified and shown to be a money making scam by all tradesmen the incompetents will flourish. The customer couldn’t give a damn about bits of paper or regulations so long as it works safely. At times I don’t think their even bothered about the safely, so long as it looks nice and is cheap!

Archie has turned work down for legal reasons, but the work has still been done. To what standard?

For a house buyer an EICR desirable not a must. It’s the insurance companies that insist, aided and abetted by the leaches of society, solicitors. But why should the seller have to pay? Caveat emptor.

You buy a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] hand car, what guarantee do you get? Buy from a dealer then you’ll have an insurance policy that has so many escape holes in it to be about useless. Buy from a private seller and if it gets to the end of the road and that’s it. (PS Dan’s got a car for sale).

Rant over!

PS I’ve no axe to grind, the only domestic work I’ve done was for family and myself. But I see and hear what’s going on and I’m appalled by the way things are going. The whole deck of cards has been handed to Joe at the corner pub. After 40 years in industrial electrical I can redesign a 4MW system but not legally put a socket in my lounge without paying the council to sent some know-nothing knob-stick to check my work.

OK 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] rant over!

And another thing………….

 

[Silly Sausage]

OK I’m going in the face of convention (as usual).

But until part P is vilified and shown to be a money making scam by all tradesmen the incompetents will flourish. The customer couldn’t give a damn about bits of paper or regulations so long as it works safely. At times I don’t think their even bothered about the safely, so long as it looks nice and is cheap!

Archie has turned work down for legal reasons, but the work has still been done. To what standard?

For a house buyer an EICR desirable not a must. It’s the insurance companies that insist, aided and abetted by the leaches of society, solicitors. But why should the seller have to pay? Caveat emptor.

You buy a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] hand car, what guarantee do you get? Buy from a dealer then you’ll have an insurance policy that has so many escape holes in it to be about useless. Buy from a private seller and if it gets to the end of the road and that’s it. (PS Dan’s got a car for sale).

Rant over!

PS I’ve no axe to grind, the only domestic work I’ve done was for family and myself. But I see and hear what’s going on and I’m appalled by the way things are going. The whole deck of cards has been handed to Joe at the corner pub. After 40 years in industrial electrical I can redesign a 4MW system but not legally put a socket in my lounge without paying the council to sent some know-nothing knob-stick to check my work.

OK 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] rant over!

And another thing………….

According to Manchester City Council they are called 'Engineers', so knock the abuse on the head, OK?

 

[Knobhead]

According to Manchester City Council “---- Treet” is Canal Street.

 

[Silly Sausage]

According to Manchester City Council “---- Treet” is Canal Street.

You're going off topic now, but I'll meet you down down 'Gay' or 'Queer', your choice sweetheat, and we'll carry on.


+tion

Just for the record, Tony's too old for me.

Canal Street, on most of the signs, the 'C' is missing.

 

[plugsandsparks]

The whole deck of cards has been handed to Joe at the corner pub. After 40 years in industrial electrical I can redesign a 4MW system but not legally put a socket in my lounge without paying the council to sent some know-nothing knob-stick to check my work.

Actually, an additional socket in the lounge on an existing cct is non-notifiable (a few caveats about cct design etc but OK) :book:

 

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