What is the reason to why next to nobody will employ new electricians?

[Mr Curnow]

Just wondering as I've been looking for employment in this trade for a long time, ever since I was on C&G level 2 I'd been looking for work, now I am on my way to becoming an electrical engineer, enrolled on a HNC at the moment, though I've sent out so many letters and so many emails, most people won't even reply but if they do it's always something like "I'm sorry, but we do not have any vacancies at the moment, we'll let you know when we do.", but they don't. And no matter how qualified you are, you will know some random idiot that has no qualifications and has a job simply because he knew someone, where as I have completed the qualifications and won't even be given a chance to prove myself, not that I'm expecting to be paid highly for what I'm going to be doing. I just want a career as an electrician/electrical engineer.

If it's "not what you know, but who you know" then I have lost hope for the world. Just putting peoples lives at risk if you don't have the qualifications.

 

[Engineer54]

u want me to send you my payslip and a couple of our chartered electrical engineers ones?? brit company. the graduates are paid lower than the tea boy! stick to sparking mate, more money, more work. like I said, best to get experience on a site, even for low pay.

Engineer 54, glad i gave u a laugh, but just saying how it is here.

Are there any ''Massive'' UK companies left these day's?? lol!!

Your actually trying to convince me an experienced spark is on a bigger salary than an Electrical Chartered Engineer....
The only way that's going to happen, is the spark working all the hours under the sun, along with all the other enhancement payments for hazardous working etc!! Whereas the CE salary will be working the standard contract daily/weekly work period, and that salary will be significantly more than any sparks basic salary!!

 

[frank3323]

im not trying to convince you of anything my friend, I honestly could not care less for your opinions, what you think or if you believe me or not, or anything else you have to say for that matter. I simply answered. and I work 8 till half 5, same as the engineers, but for more money i do it to buy stuff, they do it to pay off their student loan lol.

shock - one lone man does not know the inner workings of every company on earth, back in your box.

 

[Engineer54]

im not trying to convince you of anything my friend, I honestly could not care less for your opinions, what you think or if you believe me or not, or anything else you have to say for that matter. I simply answered. and I work 8 till half 5, same as the engineers, but for more money i do it to buy stuff, they do it to pay off their student loan lol.

shock - one lone man does not know the inner workings of every company on earth, back in your box.

Maybe, but I do KNOW your talking a load of cods-wallop!! ...And that's putting it mildly!!! lol!!!

 

[frank3323]

agree to disagree then eh!

Engineer 54 says stick with the engineering, i say stick with the sparking - tom-ey-tow / tom-ahh-tow

don't want to argue about wages all night, British bake off repeat is on in a min.

Mccurnow - good luck on the job front, its tough out there at the mo.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

companys wont take on the books now.....self employed electricians yes....
but not on the books....
on the books is death to a business at the mo`....
everything in this country is leaning towards the workers.....rights for this, entitlements for that....demands for`t other....
what happened to going to work ...and doin the job your paid for without either listening to....or participating in union ruslings about `how hard done by` we all are eh?
crow, prentice and mccluskey take note....

 

[Engineer54]

agree to disagree then eh!

Engineer 54 says stick with the engineering, i say stick with the sparking - tom-ey-tow / tom-ahh-tow

don't want to argue about wages all night, British bake off repeat is on in a min.

Mccurnow - good luck on the job front, its tough out there at the mo.

Excuse me, but haven't said or suggested anythng of the sort!! My post(s) were purely aimed at the crap your coming out with.

 

[PEG]

Come on,Eng 54,don't sit on the fence,tell us what you feel! :heart: Pay structures apart,lets hear it for engineering skills. After the apocalypse,it will be engineers who start to build the power stations so that electricians can earn a crust again!

 

[pmac10]

just to say something about post no 1, enrolling on an HNC doesn't make you an electrical engineer, secondly, completing an HNC also doesn't make you an electrical engineer, electrical technician perhaps, check with ECUK if you want further clarification,I've worked as an electrical engineering technician earning more than the graduate engineer, but earning more than a chartered engineer? i find that hard to believe.

 

[gdr7671]

just to say something about post no 1, enrolling on an HNC doesn't make you an electrical engineer, secondly, completing an HNC also doesn't make you an electrical engineer, electrical technician perhaps, check with ECUK if you want further clarification,I've worked as an electrical engineering technician earning more than the graduate engineer, but earning more than a chartered engineer? i find that hard to believe.

O Wow is me! I am Chartered and you talk most disgusting to an enthusiastic young man trying to improve his prospects. Wake up and get real!! The man who sweeps the floor at the end of the day is just as important as me. A project can only be completed by team work if it is to be completed on budget and time. Stop being so pig headed and live in the real world. Give him encouragement not disheartenment. You are so like so many arrogant people like architects i meet. Think they know it all but know nothing. Go back into your self inflicted shell and die.

 

[High Tower]

Ok enough of the insults or I will close the thread!

 

[Engineer54]

O Wow is me! I am Chartered and you talk most disgusting to an enthusiastic young man trying to improve his prospects. Wake up and get real!! The man who sweeps the floor at the end of the day is just as important as me. A project can only be completed by team work if it is to be completed on budget and time. Stop being so pig headed and live in the real world. Give him encouragement not disheartenment. You are so like so many arrogant people like architects i meet. Think they know it all but know nothing. Go back into your self inflicted shell and die.

I don't think anyone is trying to discourage the OP gdr, certainly not me. Anyone that puts himself out to gain a higher education to better his future prospects, is to be commended in my book!! Also depending on the company, you can well be taken on as a junior Engineer with a good HNC result (distinctions, commendations etc). But as you say normally you would need a minimum of an HND to be classed as a junior Engineer in most UK companies. Not sure about now, but you could also become a Chartered Engineer with an HND and several years experience in both design and management in the field. I would encourage him to continue his higher education, and go for the HND, which is also as far as i remember, like the HNC, a once/twice a week evening course for most!! One thing is for sure, your employment prospects in the future, especially for overseas work, will be far greater than without that higher education. On a final note, i think that Malcolm in Saudi, has a good HNC, and is employed at a Senior Engineer level, but correct me if i'm wrong!! lol!!!

I wouldn't take too much notice of anyone telling you that a spark has a higher salary grade than an a qualified Engineer, Chartered or otherwise, it just ain't going to happen, anywhere in the world!!!

 

[imago]

After the apocalypse,it will be engineers who start to build the power stations so that electricians can earn a crust again!

Not the ones I've met! They'd be too busy having a 'milestone review meeting' or 'deep diving the blue sky thinking' to actually build anything. Unless the apocalypse had knocked out all the coffee machines, in which case they wouldn't even have the meetings.

 

[Marvo]

You guys are missing the point. Money aside, it's a well known fact that chicks dig engineers more than they dig sparkys....always have and always will, even after the apocalypse the engineer's always going to get the girl

Seriously, please keep the retaliation comments general and non-personal. Thanks.

 

[Amp David]

CLOSE IT! CLOSE IT! CLOSE IT!:carolers:

 

[shagbite]

You guys are missing the point. Money aside, it's a well known fact that chicks dig engineers more than they dig sparkys....always have and always will, even after the apocalypse the engineer's always going to get the girl

Seriously, please keep the retaliation comments general and non-personal. Thanks.

what a load of old tripe. that's like saying stephen hawking gets more grumble than terry mcCann.