What kind of Electric Shower install is possible with my existing consumer unit?

Hi I am moving into a ground floor flat and would like to have a new electric shower installed above an existing bath tub, unfortunately due to low pressure from the hot water tank a plumber has advised a mixer shower is not an option and neither is a pump. I am rather new to all this sort of thing so apologies if anything I explain does not make sense.

The install itself seems pretty straightforward. Shower on the wall above the tub, isolator pull cord from the ceiling and then approx 10-15m cabling and trunking to the consumer unit which is in an enclosure on the wall of my bedroom.

Here's where I am unsure of the best way to proceed. The flat is setup for economy 7 tariff and as such the meter tails are split in a henley block and feed two Wylex fuse boxes, one rated to 100a and one to 60a. Both fuse boxes are also connected to an RCD rated 80a and 30ma tripping current. Both fuseboxes have a spare way each. The service fuse states 100a. The flat is all electric and has a cooker, an immersion heater, one storage heater.

As a side note once the shower has been installed it will make the boiler redundant and will likely never be used. I'm unsure if that will affect the shower install but just thought I'd mention. This will also mean the only appliance that can take advantage of the economy 7 tariff I'm currently on is the one storage heater and so I would be interested in changing the setup to support a normal tariff but I am unsure of the work needed to do that and any advice is appreciated. Finally I am renting this flat with one other person and its most likely it will just be for 1 or 2 years so while we would like to spend money on the shower and are happy to spend a little bit more if it means getting a more powerful shower. We would not be interested in any major work such as changing to a new CU as the cost will more than likely outweigh the benefit to ourselves in the short term and we are also living on a budget.

So I would like to know if its possible to wire up a shower straight into my existing setup and if so whats the highest strength of shower it can support?

Is it possible to wire up a separate shower consumer unit and would this allow for a higher rated shower?

If I wanted to change my tariff from economy 7 is it a big job or straightforward?


I have had one spark round so far but he seemed rather put off by my fusebox and I got the feeling he didn't want to know. He quoted £400 and said he could install an 8.5kw shower but anything higher and he said he would need to replace the entire CU and would be in excess of £1000.

Thanks so much
Jake
 

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Forgive me if i am wrong but your E7 meter should supply all your leccie at night on rate 2 including the lights, ring main, shower, water heater etc!

you are wrong in this case.
there are two ways That E7 can be presented:
1. As you describe, everything comes off the same feed, but lower tariff at night time. Off peak devices like storage rads need separate timers.
2. as in this installation- there are two fuse boards. The off peak one only is energised at night time. Separate circuits run to storage rads, off-peak immersions, etc.
The 24-hour fuseboard does not benefit from a lower tariff at night.
 
My two-penneth on this one is;

1. Ditch the E7 asap ! I have yet to find a situtation and tariff combination that makes any economic sense...
2. Have you considered an unvented direct cyclinder ? So you'll heat your water by immersion heater and get mains pressure for showers/washing up/wash basin. (Cylinder and kit is about £250 but you'll need pressure relief outlet and has to be installed by G3 plumber)
3. If you're set on an electric shower (I've tried a few over the years, and they're all awful) I'd say get the 9.5kW one... a smaller one in the summer would suffice when the cold water is not as icey cold as it is in the winter, when you're really notice the difference in flow.
 
Hi guys thank you very much for all your replies

So am I right in saying that regarding installing the shower there are two possibilities?

One is to use the spare way on my existing fuseboard rated at 30a and I can have a 7.5kwh shower.

And the other is to install a separate shower consumer unit like this via a henley block



and wire the shower from there.
I assume this means I can have a much more powerful shower even a 10.5kwh?
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My two-penneth on this one is;

1. Ditch the E7 asap ! I have yet to find a situtation and tariff combination that makes any economic sense...
2. Have you considered an unvented direct cyclinder ? So you'll heat your water by immersion heater and get mains pressure for showers/washing up/wash basin. (Cylinder and kit is about £250 but you'll need pressure relief outlet and has to be installed by G3 plumber)
3. If you're set on an electric shower (I've tried a few over the years, and they're all awful) I'd say get the 9.5kW one... a smaller one in the summer would suffice when the cold water is not as icey cold as it is in the winter, when you're really notice the difference in flow.


I'm really on a bit of a budget atm so having the boiler ripped out and replaced is not an option for me right now but I will note this down for the future. For sure I have read the same as what you say about the showers so I'm keen to get a good one in if my setup supports it.

Can I ask you though about my economy 7 setup again please. Would I be right in saying that if I have my energy provider change my tariff and meter would both my fuseboards then just go live 24/7? As I assume right now its setup so that one of the boards only goes live during the off peak hours. I'm just hoping its possible to change from E7 without having to replace my entire consumer unit.

(My meter is a digital one at the moment that provides both the on and off peak rates however I am in the process of having a smart meter installed)

Thanks
Jake
 
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