What percentage of Sparks voted Brexit?

[FatAlan]

our mining industry really prospered when the Germans started selling us coal cheaper than we could produce it,

and Maggie T decided she wanted to break the Unions

 

[telectrix]

and Maggie T Scargill decided he wanted to break the Unions bring down the government

corrected that for you.

 

[FatAlan]

corrected that for you.

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

 

[MDJ]

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

Tosh

 

[telectrix]

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

bring back the steam engine trains. re-open all the coal mines to feed their boilers, british engineering at it's best.

 

[MDJ]

saw the UK in half and push anyone north of Brum into the north pole, let them racially abuse the polar bears for being white and the walrusses for being Black.

 

[Des 56]

I am certainly not getting involved in the Maggie and Arthur item of this debate


QUOTE="stuarth, post: 1438499, member: 107800"]This is the problem atm with any discussion, if you don't agree with someone then you insult them, this is the second time
you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Looks to me as though you failed miserably with censoring of your own insults

The graph gives indication of why it was morally wrong for oldies to decide whats good for the younger ones

The over 45s did not take account of the impact of their wishes on the overwhelming majority of those that will be affected by the referendum,it is unforgivable in my estimation.

Please explain why everyone over 45 who voted out should be ashamed? and why everyone over 45 who voted in should not be ashamed?
Its why I reiterate that the over 45s should be ashamed of what they did,we should never have had the opportunity to do so
The vote will have had little relevance to anyone over 45
whether we are out or in

I reached my decision about leaving many years ago based on what I learnt from reading papers & listening to the radio as well as talking with others who disagreed and real life experiences observing the changes in our country and politicians. In the past 10-20 years the EU has become less democratic and more about grabbing power from sovereign states and bringing about a political ideology than looking after the best interests of the European population.
Little if anything will change much in the first 10 to 20 years of leaving thus the consequences do not have to be shouldered by the 45+ age group

Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here,
The vote was mainly on the state of the UK in the EU in its current form and specifically about control of immigration
The rights and wrongs of what may or may not mould the future EU was almost irrelevant to the discussion about the vote to leave I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.

It was a poor decision made by a section of the population that to all intents and purposes,they condemned their children and the future of thos echildren to at best a very precarious future and at worst to greater poverty

It also be be ironic if the vote to exit results in the pensions of those who's wish was granted,that they become un-affordable to the now poverty stricken taxpayers
of Brexit + 20

 

[stuarth]

@des56 umm everything you have said in your post above as far as I can see is purely your opinion, which your entitled to but dose little to make a argument for remaining.

Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here,
The vote was mainly on the state of the UK in the EU in its current form and specifically about control of immigration
The rights and wrongs of what may or may not mould the future EU was almost irrelevant to the discussion about the vote to leave I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.

I explain why this is a factual thing and why it demonstrates the problems many people have with the EU. Its a fact that the EU representative says they want a EU military (see video link) Mr Cleg stated that it was a totally "fantasy" that there were plans for a EU military, again check out the video link, the point being that many people all over the EU do not want closer political union they are quite happy to be trading partners and have many other agreements that benefit each other.

you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Looks to me as though you failed miserably with censoring of your own insults

Sorry you lost me here, I acknowledge that "maybe" my words had previously not been helpful to a sensible debate.

Please give me good arguments of why we should have stayed in the EU, give me facts of why it would have been better. Don't give me your opinion because your entitled to that and I can not argue against it, don't blame generations of the population for having an opinion and being arsed to go and vote on it.

Saw this on twitter this morning and it summed up the way things are atm enjoy.

 

[andyb]

Please give me good arguments of why we should have stayed in the EU, give me facts of why it would have been better. Don't give me your opinion because your entitled to that and I can not argue against it, don't blame generations of the population for having an opinion and being arsed to go and vote on it.

Saw this on twitter this morning and it summed up the way things are atm enjoy.

I'll give you a fact, not my opinion.
Things would of stayed as they were.
There you go.

Now can you give me any facts as to how we will be better off when we leave please?

Oh and by the way, I found your cartoon quite offensive.

 

[markythesparky]

You can set a pole up within a thread so members can tick the appropriate box, think that may have suited your inquiry better.

I didn’t know I could do that but to be honest, it wouldn’t have been as much fun would it.

 

[markythesparky]

By the way, there are members saying that we should have been given that facts before we voted.

THERE ARE NO FACTS! THERE ARE NO MORE FACTS NOW THAT THERE WERE BEFORE! THERE ARE NO MORE FACTS ABOUT LEAVE THAN THERE ARE ABOUT REMAIN.

In voting out, we are voting in to an educated unknown. But equally, if we had voted remain, (which we didn’t) we would have voted for Just as much of an unknown. We certainly would not have voted for the status quo as the EU is a ‘shifting sands’ bureaucracy.

The very reason Cameron was
forced into the referendum was because the UK people, as a whole, were fed up with the ever changing EU push toward more integration, more EU!

Discuss.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Whilst there are no more facts now than there were at the time of the vote, some facts have now come to light which were not really made public at the time of the vote.
For instance the Good Friday agreement not to have a border between North and Southern Ireland.
The way it’s shaping up, there’ll be a referendum soon in NI to decide if they want to remain part of the UK or join Southern Ireland.

 

[MDJ]

One thing about Brexit which no one can argue is the fact it has heavily divided the country, one of the worse things to happen to this country, IMO it is just a matter of time before the union breaks up over it, we are all at each others throats on here, it is the single most important thing to happen to the UK since the revolution IMO, it will change us forever regardless of how we all voted.

 

[Darkwood]

What brexit has done is give us a taste of living in the USA, politics is a family ritual over there and divides families, splits communities and causes lots of secondary issues, it has been happening for decades, here in the UK it has taken a referendum to achieve anything like we see in the US but I believe once we are out, the dust has settled and politics returns back to normal then we will all settle back to ignoring the politics of a person and treating them as equals regardless.
The speed at which this occurs will all be based on how we fair post Brexit, there is going to be a mad rush of media trying to show every job lost and every tiny negative effect out there to maintain their position because they have spent the last few yrs playing fearmongering, it will be very interesting when the UK (as I suspect) makes a success of not been tied to the EU under the rule of Brussels to how all these defiant remainer media, and organisations react when most of the scare stories they have been playing the population with do not come to fruition... like 90% of them haven't yet when claimed the vote alone would cause this and that.

 

[Adam W]

I'll give you a fact, not my opinion.
Things would of stayed as they were.
There you go.

Now can you give me any facts as to how we will be better off when we leave please?

Oh and by the way, I found your cartoon quite offensive.

That is opinion though - the fact is that the EU has changed, from a trade bloc to a meddling unelected federal body which has changed the face of Britain - the EU has brought about a situation where you mainly hear foreign voices in the street, where employers say they can no longer run their businesses without migrant workers, competition for property has pushed prices up beyond the means of many people who were born here, meaning people are faced with the prospect of living in digs for the rest of their lives if they haven't spent their working life saving up for their house back home.

Nobody knows for certain if we'll be better off when we leave, but the general consensus is that things can't keep going the way they are.