UK What rate am I qualified for/should be seeking having done 2365 lvl 2/3 and 18th Edition?

[man2964]

I'm facing a dilemma and any advice would be hugly appreciated. I'm transitioning from the military into becoming an electrician. I've completed 2365 level 2, awaiting the results of level 3, have 18th Edition and am enrolled on the Level 3 NVQ already.

The dilemma I'm facing is: I've been offered a job by a reputable firm in the East Mids at £11.50 an hour which I believe is a Stage 4 apprentice. I understand why I've been offered this however I believe I'm 'technically' qualified for more. What level should I be looking at as from what I've looked at (using the JIB rates that they've offered me), I think I'm able to get at least the stage 2 electrician (rather than apprentice). While I appreciate I've got no real on the job experience surely the fact I've managed to complete these courses to a high standard and do the 18th shows my ability to understand the work/requirements.

On these JIB rates also for providing your own transport you get a higher rate does this mean you don't get an allowance per mile (22p from what I've read?).

Once again any help/advice is appreciated. I understand where the company is coming from however I've done these courses, proven my ability to digest and understand the knowledge/ requirements.

Thanks!

 

[man2964]

I don’t think it harms anything in asking, certainly looking at the future with them, could show a long term commitment. Have you seen what other companies would offer?

Good luck by the way.

I've had a few interviews, nothing came of one (got told I'd be a self employed contactor so wasn't too interested) and one wanted an unpaid trial period and was too far away anyway so haven't got anything to guage it off! The company seems really good and the people I've met are really nice too so that's a bonus!

 

[123]

Is the JIB rate any use at present? They where agreed upon about 2 years ago...a heck of a lot has happened in the time since then.

Stage 4 apprentice - At college £11.30 ph, on site £12.45 ph.
Own transport electrician £16.73 ph. Approved spark £18.14
Own transport trainee - Stage 1 £13.43 ph, Stage 2 £15.08 ph, Stage 3 £15.90 ph.

In comparison entry level job at Lidl £10.90 ph...JIB rates look shyte.

 

[man2964]

Is the JIB rate any use at present? They where agreed upon about 2 years ago...a heck of a lot has happened in the time since then.

Stage 4 apprentice - At college £11.30 ph, on site £12.45 ph.
Own transport electrician £16.73 ph. Approved spark £18.14
Own transport trainee - Stage 1 £13.43 ph, Stage 2 £15.08 ph, Stage 3 £15.90 ph.

In comparison entry level job at Lidl £10.90 ph...JIB rates look shyte.

Cheers 123, that's what I've been comparing it too, I know it's not the same as Im working towards a cause but I can stack shelves for more money!!

As I've said to the people above I'm trying to work out whether a trainee stage on on £13 something is more applicable than a stage 4 apprentice on £11 something an hour if that makes sense? And what would be the best way of addressing this/putting that point forward. Like I've said, self funded courses, vehicle, kit and I'm not (no disrespect to) a 17 year old fresh from school. I've proven my ability to time keep, thoroughness, reliability etc etc as well as my aptitude for picking up the required knowledge!

 

[nicebutdim]

I wouldn't overthink this - training is a means to an end, so I'd be inclined to keep my head down and get on with it. You've got a good headstart with theory, but that's of no practical use without experience.

Take what you can get and learn. If an employer values your work and the ethic beind it, they'll ensure you're paid well enough to stay after training. It doesn't matter how much you know, you're still an unknown quantity to any potential employer. If you ask for too much, why wouldn't they just pay a bit more and get someone who doesn't need training?

I'd be concerned about employing a trainee who seemed to think they were doing me a favour by coming to be trained by my workers.

 

[man2964]

I wouldn't overthink this - training is a means to an end, so I'd be inclined to keep my head down and get on with it. You've got a good headstart with theory, but that's of no practical use without experience.

Take what you can get and learn. If an employer values your work and the ethic beind it, they'll ensure you're paid well enough to stay after training. It doesn't matter how much you know, you're still an unknown quantity to any potential employer. If you ask for too much, why wouldn't they just pay a bit more and get someone who doesn't need training?

I'd be concerned about employing a trainee who seemed to think they were doing me a favour by coming to be trained by my workers.

That makes sense, it's the reality I suppose. Like you said, a means to an end and if they don't want to budge then I understand that!