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A friend of mine is having some building work done by some incompetent tradespeople and the wiring in their bathroom was done by a plumber who is not a qualified electrician my friend was having problems so I agreed to have a look at it (I am not a qualified electrician I should point out).

The first thing I noticed was that the plumber had attached a shaver socket and a towel rail to the lighting circuit but not put that on the consumer unit isolator for the lighting circuit. I then found that the shaver socket was only being held in by one screw and was loose. Also the earth in the light switch on the wall outside the bathroom was not connected inside the switch.

My friend was also having problems with lights further on in the circuit and I found out that the neutral had come loose as it was attached to the circuit using a terminal block connector. I have replaced the terminal block with a junction box as I personally don't like terminal blocks especially for work intended to be permanent. The earth was also not properly connected as well.

While fitting the junction box to replace the terminal blocks I noticed that the wiring is using incorrect colours for example there is several instances of brown and red neutral wires with no sleeving, there was also a blue live wire. None of the wiring or junction boxes have been fastened to the rafters and an excessive amount of wiring has been used so its become tangled.

I have spoken to the electrician for the project who has mentioned that they put in a quote to do the bathroom electrics but the person overseeing the project declined it and choose to have it done by the plumber so the electric work in the bathroom has not been certified and signed off, my friend wasn't aware of this. The electrician has offered to certify it for a fee however given how bad it is I don't think the electrician would be able to certify it without major changes.

Given the state of the electrics and the incorrect wiring I have suggested the best cause of action is for my friend to get a new electrician in and replace it all and maybe report the plumber and the person overseeing the project to trading standards. What would you say the best course of action is?
 
I’d love to hear that conversation between homeowner and insurance company - “you’ve installed down lights - and you’re not qualified - and you’ve not tested them - and then they’ve caught fire and burned your roof - yes, that’s no problem at all, fully covered by your buildings policy”.
Noooooo! I didn’t do it I let the plumber do it!
 
Please tell us that they are being prosecuted for putting their family and the firefighters lives at risk?
I doubt it Davesparks, when i was afire fighter i didnt think much about it , turned up , done what i was told to do and went back to the station and back to work.
Now as a Redcross volunteer for the Fire and emergency service support, i get more involved with sign posting to other areas, its amazing what insurance companies will pay up on and equally amazing what they dont.
Called out this morning at 04.10, house flooded due to home owner changed the main stop cock over the weekend , i just spoke to the insurance lost adjusters , they have already oked the claim, the home owner is not a plumber, so technically not qualified.
Its a case by case situation, good lawyers , smart lost adjusters etc etc.
 
Please tell us that they are being prosecuted for putting their family and the firefighters lives at risk?
And for me this is the crux of it. Though any loss is devastating, losing a life or serious life changing injury is far more devastating than any material loss. Dodgy tradespeople and no nothing d.i.y'ers don't appreciate the possible implications of their actions.

For example, I'm multi skilled but I'm not gas qualified, so even though I could install a gas boiler to a decent standard, I wouldn't do so. I would employ the services of a good experienced gas engineer. I wouldn't put lives at risk, regardless of how confident I was that the boiler was installed correctly. I haven't the qualifications or the knowledge to satisfactory test the boiler to ensure it is 100% safe to use.
Electrical installs should be treated with the same respect, for the same reasons - people's lives could be put at risk.
 
The registered electrician for the project came round to finish off some other jobs, it was mentioned to him the bad electrics and he said its not worth worrying about.

After he finished the work on another part of the house I inspected the electricians work (although didn't do anything to it) and if anything the electricians work was done worse and more dangerous than the plumber's electrical work.
 
The registered electrician for the project came round to finish off some other jobs, it was mentioned to him the bad electrics and he said its not worth worrying about.

After he finished the work on another part of the house I inspected the electricians work (although didn't do anything to it) and if anything the electricians work was done worse and more dangerous than the plumber's electrical work.

I wonder if he's prepared to stand up in court and say this (my bold) when somebody gets injured or worse.
 

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