What would you code these as?

[HappyHippyDad]

Evening all.

I have just finised an EICR on a new extension. The previous electrician cannot be contacted.

The work was pretty shoddy. No identification sleeving on cables where needed including some earths. The 3 possible codes are as follows:

1. 1mm line conductor in the 6A MCB was loose due to being in with a 1.5mm and also 2.5mm conductor. I have made sure the termination is now tight but I really dont like the thought of 3 differing size conductors in the same MCB. I never do this as it is likely the smallest one will at some point not be well terminated. ?C2

2. Single socket for the fridge hidden in cupboard next to fridge, which is fine, however it is attached to the really flimsy wobbly bit of board on the back of the units. (You know the stuff, more like cardboard than wood). It is already loose. ?C2

3. Integrated LED downlights completely covered in insulation. Im not sure about this one. Its shoddy, but as they are integrated the lamp cannot be changed for a halogen so perhaps a C3 or no code? It would be a C2 if not integrated.

Cheers all.

 

[KEV 1 N]

Evening all.

I have just finised an EICR on a new extension. The previous electrician cannot be contacted.

The work was pretty shoddy. No identification sleeving on cables where needed including some earths. The 3 possible codes are as follows:

1. 1mm line conductor in the 6A MCB was loose due to being in with a 1.5mm and also 2.5mm conductor. I have made sure the termination is now tight but I really dont like the thought of 3 differing size conductors in the same MCB. I never do this as it is likely the smallest one will at some point not be well terminated. ?C2

2. Single socket for the fridge hidden in cupboard next to fridge, which is fine, however it is attached to the really flimsy wobbly bit of board on the back of the units. (You know the stuff, more like cardboard than wood). It is already loose. ?C2

3. Integrated LED downlights completely covered in insulation. Im not sure about this one. Its shoddy, but as they are integrated the lamp cannot be changed for a halogen so perhaps a C3 or no code? It would be a C2 if not integrated.

Cheers all.

In response to above...
1) I’m not a fan of multiple circuits in an mcb, do you know what they are feeding? , I would double over 1mm and make sure they are all secure as you said you’ve done, put it down as C3 recommending circuits be split on to separate mcbs

2)C3 unless it’s getting used to plug and unplug regularly

3)If they are led a C3, halogens then there’s a greater risk of fire so C2

 

[Ian1981]

I wouldn’t code item 2 to be honest it may not be ideal but is it unsafe?

 

[suffolkspark]

do you think an "electrician" would have put 3 different sized cables in 1 mcb?.... its all to common for the original "electrician" to be un contactable... usually the homeowner or builder!

 

[Richard Burns]

1. two sizes is bad enough but three?
The loose connection would be a C2 I feel but as it was resolved at the time then just a recommendation to at least have the same size conductors (why does any one want 2.5mm² on a 6A MCB in a domestic residence).
2. Not likely to be disturbed another comment on poor insulation and recommendation for support of the socket.
3. C3 risk of failure of the fitting, not overly likely to cause fire as the fitting will overheat and fail first (probably!)

If that is all you have to code then it is in a good state!

 

[Ian1981]

Most common things I find are
Lack of circuit chart information and circuits vulnerable to testing.
Poor inadequate labelling of circuits
No label for mixed wiring
No safety electrical connection on earth clamps
No rcd test labels

 

[davesparks]

1 you’ve made it safe already, no code
2 no code
3 maybe a C3

 

[Resu]

1 you’ve made it safe already, no code
2 no code
3 maybe a C3

I'd go for the same here.

#1 isn't ideal but if you are happy having tightened them then it should be ok.

#3 I would add that it might be worth looking up the manufacturer's instructions as some integrated LED units are coverable, if so no code.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Cheers guys, perhaps I was a bit over zealous!

 

[bigspark17]

No codes on any!
Yes you are being overcautious, its an eicr not eic so your there to test its safe not to sign it off as your own, nothing wrong with recommendations but to give and installation an unsatisfactory for theese minor issues would be incorrect imo.