Whats wrong with Britain

[Plonker 3]

What exactly would we be apologising for? If it was a direct member of my family or a good friend of mine yes I would apologise. But someone whom I linked to by default with no knowledge of them the no I wouldn't.

Have you apologised to the MP whose daughter was killed by electric shock which led to the introduction of Part P?

 

[trev]

I am not blaming all Muslims ,yet again trev you take it to extremes if I went to the church of the seventh day Adventists and 2 started knocking on doors and shooting people as a member of that church I would stand up and condemn what had happened and I would think a lot of others would disassociate themselves from the killers

Wouldn't you ?
Or dillb
Or even mdj
Surely you would but maybe your badder than what I thought

No I have not taken it to extremes. You (and a couple of others)have implied that all muslims are culpable for the actions of a tiny minority, all I've tried to do is make it plain how utterly ridiculous that is.
I've worked in the heaviest muslim country of all, Saudi Arabia. At no time did I ever feel threatened by the populace there, I was never made to feel uncomfortable, no one wanted to convert me, no one wanted to kill me
I've done a boat load of work for the muslim community in my area, they have always made me feel welcome in their homes and business premises.
People are people where ever you go, most are completely sound. Some are arseholes.
BUT the vast majority of us all want pretty much the same things, we want to live in peace and be able to get on with doing what we do to earn a living to provide a better life for our kids than we had. To put a few quid away for when times get hard and to have enough to allow us to allow ourselves whatever we think the good things in life are.

 

[dingledong]

Please reread my posts yes I said Muslims should stand up and condemn the atrocities but no one does even from the mosque that the killers come from no one does
Also using the seventh day Adventists I am sure that if some people committed murders in t h e name of the s d A's that other people who have the same beliefs would condemn the killers even if they did not know them as the killers are saying the are killing for Allah they are killing for Muslims
That's stupid the mp's daughter died not on purpose it was an accident it was wrong and the man should get life but it was an accident, she was not killed for a religious reason was she and we are discussing people being killed because of a religion

 

[trev]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=RPyO8xdF7d8tyoUQlIjoCw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=326GgO0mPzFHsxR2VKnuWw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=_Szb8Mrwf8gLvbqmMoqJoQ&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

There's 3 to be going on with

 

[tidyboiler]

my parents are pensioners on state pensions and don't struggle in the slightest. NICE are the people responsible for the drugs we can or can't have and the wouldn't pay for them even if we had a zero overseas aid budget. We do what we can for people in need.

Well I work for the NHS so I think I'll just agree to disagree with you

 

[Slowhand]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=RPyO8xdF7d8tyoUQlIjoCw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=326GgO0mPzFHsxR2VKnuWw&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=_Szb8Mrwf8gLvbqmMoqJoQ&bvm=bv.72676100,d.ZGU

There's 3 to be going on with

You've obviously never heard of taquia.

 

[Plonker 3]

So if that's the counter argument how are they supposed to apologise if that's what you want them to do?

 

[trev]

You've obviously never hard of taquia.

So if they say nothing then they're complicit.
If they condemn it they're lying.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That's a really clever outlook isn't it?
Not.

 

[dingledong]

2points then
1 more should be said more should come out in the media not in add places only you can find
2. Why are they saying anything as dillb seems to think that they shouldn't but they are

 

[Slowhand]

So if they say nothing then they're complicit.
If they condemn it they're lying.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That's a really clever outlook isn't it?
Not.

Nope, it means the can lie through their teeth to kuffars for any reason they like.

 

[Plonker 3]

They don't have to apologise, but if they do that's there choice.

i am still waiting for your answer to the question I asked in #82

 

[dingledong]

So if that's the counter argument how are they supposed to apologise if that's what you want them to do?

No it's you that are saying they shouldn't apologise ,I think this should go into daily papers and local papers myself

 

[trev]

Those 3 things I found took me about 15 seconds on google. They're not publicised because the media needs you to have someone to hate and muslims are the easy target. 60 or 70 years ago it would have been Jews.
The second bit comes back to what I said above, you want them to condemn extremism but when they do they're accused of lying. So you want them to say something but then object when they do.
Clever, really clever.

 

[edexlab]

You will always get splinter groups in any situation its human nature even at a basic level people form cliques where they belong to a larger group and we've all experienced this in some form or another where a group of people stick to themselves have their own views and accept certain individuals in and keep others out, unfortunately extremists do the same thing and learn quickly that telling others your ideas willy nilly equals trouble, like the saying birds of a feather....these groups will always spot the type of personality that fits into their idealism .

Personally I don't think the majority of people who associate with terrorists and the like actually know who they really are, until something happens, they more than likely realise that they appear to be on the radical side.

As for the extremist preaching from all religions we only have to look here on the forum to see how a "book" can be interpreted differently by individuals and misinformation spread.

 

[dingledong]

So if they say nothing then they're complicit.
If they condemn it they're lying.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That's a really clever outlook isn't it?
Not.

Have I said they are lieing I said they should stand up and condemn and in daily newspapers etc etc
So again not reading what I am saying and changing the facts where did I say living
Why don't they condemn on a more widely viewed media than what you have discovered and again these are people high in the organisation why aren't people from the hatred mosques not coming forward