When to issue a danger notification?

[n180]

When working on a site if you see a c1 or c2 condition, can you issue a danger notification? Or is it only for c1 situations?

Reason i'm asking is if you spot something whilst working on site and point it out to the customer, and they don't want to pay to get it fixed, you'd obviously want to cover your own back in writing to show you've pointed it out to them.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Danger Notifications are not something found in BS7671.
As such there are no Regulations pertaining to the issuing of them.

In other words, it’s up to you.

 

[Octopus]

I can’t see how a C2 could be that dangerous, that you think a danger notice could apply.

If you need to CYA, then write the details on your invoice ....

 

[n180]

Maybe a c2 won't be that dangerous, but it's always safer for the customer to get it rectified. And if they are in 2 minds, something like a danger notification would only encourage them to get it rectified as they'll probably understand better the potential danger with a written "danger notification".

But your're right, I wouldn't really bother with it on a C2, it's probably enough just to put it on the invoice.

 

[Octopus]

As @ spinlondon says, danger notices don’t exist in BS 7671 .....

 

[Richard Burns]

I did a danger notification for a ring that was pulling 56A and they were complaining of frequent tripping and the RCBO burning out but did not want to split down the circuit.

 

[telectrix]

I did a danger notification for a ring that was pulling 56A and they were complaining of frequent tripping and the RCBO burning out but did not want to split down the circuit.

what's wrong with a 2" nail for a fuse?

 

[Richard Burns]

what's wrong with a 2" nail for a fuse?

Come on, be realistic! how do you fix it to the busbar!!

 

[telectrix]

Come on, be realistic! how do you fix it to the busbar!!

hammer, gorilla glue, welding, soldering, cable ties.... loads of options.

 

[Charlie_]

Don’t point too close to those C1s.

My take on a C1 is that it needs to be made safe and not left?

 

[Nigel]

I would not issue a danger notice to anything that is captured within an EICR. The EICR is clear to what the dangers are for each code.

I would only issue a danger notice if I saw something that I thought the customer should be aware of whilst working like exposed parts.

 

[Spoon]

I would not issue a danger notice to anything that is captured within an EICR. The EICR is clear to what the dangers are for each code.

A sensible answer at last.
Surely putting C1 on an EICR tells the customer how dangerous it as and you are also covered as you have notified them of the dangers.
The customer is allowed to get another electrician in to sort out the problems, if they want.

 

[n180]

Obviously if your doing an eicr there's no need for a danger notice.

My question had nothing to do with an eicr though.

I was just generally saying if you're doing some work on a site and you notice a c1 or c2 type condition, unrelated to the job you're doing, and it poses some sort of danger, in that situation would you give a danger notification.

 

[45140]

As a competent person you would have a duty of care to bring something like that to the owner (the DUTY Holder under the EAWR). Although the various official publications suggest that a dangerous situation should be left safe, the legal responsibility is on the Duty Holder not the electrician to instruct this work, or even to leave undone.

There have been various heated debates on whether or not a disconnection or other means of making safe should be made, however the decision does not rest with the electrician. All you have to do is to demonstrate that you have brought the issue to the notice of the Duty Holder, hence the danger notice is a very useful tool.

Do not understand the reasons for that process not being implemented under BS7671.

 

[Wilko]

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