Where to buy? Flat fire cable!

[pennywise]

i'll look at them. my supplier does the acel gear. might be as good.

They are also sold under the brand EI who manufacture them in Ireland

 

[telectrix]

Smoke detectors should be on their own MCB/RCBO indipendant of any other RCD's IE dual hi integrety RCD board they should be on the unprotected side

yes, it makes sense to put them on a non-RCD MCB, as usually there is no cable buried in walls, blah, blah, but frequently, they have to be fitted to an existing board whnich is not high integrity, that is why, in that case , i would put them on a frequently used lighting circuit

 

[accordfire]

but i've never seen domestic smoke alarms using fire resistant cable, always T/E and 3core/E. why, oh why are the actual detectors ( speaking of domestic smokes) designed for 1.0mm flexor 1.0mm T/E? same applies to a lot of fixtures. i fitted a PIR to switch 2 hall lights using 3 core/E. then impossible to get the unit in the housing as the cable was too big for the ridiculous small gap

Oh dear - another Part B gripe.....you're right of course, domestic smokes, as in those fitted in single dwelling houses, are not usually installed in fire resisting cable. They should be, however.

I'd never install a smoke using flex either.

Anything beyond an HMO will, or certainly ought to have fire resistant cable, though.

Just another failure on behalf of our esteemed legislators.

Aico smokes have a wide cable aperture - and terminals capable of taking 2 2.5mm CSA wires too. Most PIR switches, however, seem to be designed only to take a single 1mm T&E - I agree.

/gripe off.

 

[accordfire]

They are also sold under the brand EI who manufacture them in Ireland

Yup - EI Electronics, or Aico - same people, different uniform.

 

[nickblake]

Oh dear - another Part B gripe.....you're right of course, domestic smokes, as in those fitted in single dwelling houses, are not usually installed in fire resisting cable. They should be, however.

I'd never install a smoke using flex either.

Anything beyond an HMO will, or certainly ought to have fire resistant cable, though.

Just another failure on behalf of our esteemed legislators.

Aico smokes have a wide cable aperture - and terminals capable of taking 2 2.5mm CSA wires too. Most PIR switches, however, seem to be designed only to take a single 1mm T&E - I agree.

/gripe off.

totally agree much prefer fire tough , although i do wire in three core 1.5mm red sleeve due to mainly the cost and never less than a 1.5mm ,the EI detector seam to be a good little detector and never had a problem with them

 

[Damon]

Ive looked at Aico before and think thats the way im gonna go currently viewing:

Ei161RC Ionisation Smoke Detector with Lithium Battery - £28.50 Ex VAT..

&

Ei166RC Optical Smoke Detector with Lithium Battery - £39.40 Ex VAT

also looking at this Aico carbon monoxide alarm but it does not state I can link with smokes???? Surely I can cant I?

Ei261ENRC Mains and Lithium Battery Carbon Monoxide Alarm - £48.75 Ex ..

 

[pennywise]

You can indeed. Just make sure it's in the right range.

 

[accordfire]

Ive looked at Aico before and think thats the way im gonna go currently viewing:

Ei161RC Ionisation Smoke Detector with Lithium Battery - £28.50 Ex VAT..

&

Ei166RC Optical Smoke Detector with Lithium Battery - £39.40 Ex VAT

also looking at this Aico carbon monoxide alarm but it does not state I can link with smokes???? Surely I can cant I?

Ei261ENRC Mains and Lithium Battery Carbon Monoxide Alarm - £48.75 Ex ..

You can use the RC168 base with almost all Aico detectors, but...........you CANNOT use the 412 remote hush switch with any other than 160 series detectors.

You CAN use the devices you mention above, and interlink them all using RC168 bases. For reliability, you are as well sticking with RC166 optical detectors (less susceptible to draughts).

The RC262 CO alarm is a radiolink CO Detector, and will interconnect using wireless to the smokes.

 

[Damon]

Thanks accordfire however it dont half bump up the price when you add the base and detector together wow, no price on safety i guess.

 

[accordfire]

Thanks accordfire however it dont half bump up the price when you add the base and detector together wow, no price on safety i guess.

That's kind of the point - how much is life worth? What you pay in terms of wireless, you generally save in labour.

You could always add the CO detector at a later point - or indeed, you can achieve a similar system using hard wired detection too, at lower materials cost.

The 160 and 260 units can both be hardwired - and come with a standard base, which is interlinkable using a 3 and earth - Live, Neutral, I/C Live, and it includes a decent terminal for parking the earth too!

Good kit, and IMHO, worth the money.