Who Are You Registered With?

[ashrow]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

 

[iceman]

hello guys i took the nic route as domestic installer only reason is cos there the most well known and look good on me advertising as i realy need more phone call inquires lol im lookin at goin approved next year as i'll probley be doin commercial stuff and pir reports

 

[sparks1234]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

Don't get your --- bitten

 

[flukey]

I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash

so does that mean none of your jobs get issued with a building notice

 

[sparks1234]

so does that mean none of your jobs get issued with a building notice

Good morning flukey, you do get the feeling someone is going to get bitten hard by this short sightedness

 

[flukey]

Good morning flukey, you do get the feeling someone is going to get bitten hard by this short sightedness

good morning to you too sparks.
it surprises me the cavalier attitude towards registration. none of us like it and if i could get away with it i certainly wouldnt pay it either, however i want to operate within the law
i must say when i mention the 6 year guarantee my work is covered by through the nic that is normally enough for me to win the job so there are some good points to it as well

 

[Mr Mark Sparks]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

 

[sparks1234]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

Thats the point, you either register with as a self cert company or you have the works signed off by your building inspectors dept, what they are doing is inspecting your work, taking your fee and then taking responsibility for it and also registering the job

 

[flukey]

i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row

it depends on how much work you do. normally it costs between £50 and £200 to go labc route and thats for every job some need 24/48 hours notice before work can start work as well
whereas it costs me £1.50 to notify and £1.50 to provide 6 year guarantee through nic and i can start work whenever i feel like it

 

[hasel5]

Nic at present and got site assessment for full on june17

 

[accable]

To register with the NICEIC on the Domestic Installer Scheme currently ( July 09) is £370 +VAT a year, that includes the visit and all the technical support.

 

[ashrow]

Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).

 

[flukey]

Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).

best of luck ash. the annual fee is just another stealth tax we all have to bear and something most sparks disagree with

 

[Rulin]

Hi all

Im registered with the ECA for Commercial and Industrial work and ELECSA for Domestic Installations ,

 

[mags1972]

Hi all,

I was talking to a Gas fitter the other day and he told me their annual fee for the "Gas Safe Register", corgi to most of us was around £250 so can anyone tell me why ours is in excess of £400, my last one just paid was £414 with ELECSA!!! Just seems that we are getting ripped off, it surely cannot cost that much!

 

[marcusone]

Hi All

Registered with NAPIT full scope. Very pleased with the service, couldn't be more helpful.

 

[sparkytel]

Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

 

[petesparks1]

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

 

[sparkytel]

Yes it does indeed LOL

 

[flukey]

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

so does the figures at the top of the page, more sparks are with nic so they cant be all bad, can they

 

[Roggi]

Ron55,
if you've gone through apprentice training and worked hard all your life in the electrical feild,
kept up with changing regs etc, it really doesn't feel good to be told that you can't do pir's unless you pay more monies by people sitting in chairs all day !!! you can't go wrong with NAPIT. I haven't found any prejudice with councils or other organisations, and if you did, NAPIT actually sort it out.
There is one criteria they insist on, and that's the 2391. As an experienced sparky, it's not really a problem, and NAPIT do give a window of a year to gain it. ( assesors are old sparks and know what they're looking for)
Good luck with who ever you choose....Regards, Kev

Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.

 

[sparkytel]

You are right Roggi.

I think you would only sign up to NICEIC or similar if you do PIRs and you knew being a member would get you more work.

Although you will need the professional indemnity insurance which I understand NICEIC can provide.

Regs

Tel

 

[andyb]

theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really

It says nothing really Pete, I joined the niceic domestic installer scheme in 2005 purely because of the law & part P.
Since then I’ve had no problem at all. They’ve done exactly what they say they will do, (which I suspect is the same for elecsa, nappit and the others)
They notify my work, inspect me annually and have a good help line, nothing more than I would expect.

Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.

You are right Roggi, it is a con.
Which is why I do not pay the niceic to do PIRs, I just do them and issue my own certificate.

 

[markythesparky]

Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel

Nope!

(NICEIC fully aproved member for 8 years)

 

[jimmyjazz]

Registered with ELECSA, most of my work is domestic & in past 5 years have lost 1 job for not being NICEIC. Truth be told, no-one else has ever asked & whilst I advertise part 'P', no-one understands what it means. Same old, same old.