who's responsibilty?

[VoltzElectrical]

You'll have to pardon my ignorance on this guys, but just who's responsibility is it to notify notifiable works is it? Something in my memory tells me that it is the home owner, so if this is the case, why don't we sidestep the schemes, issue the certificates, and let them sort it out?

I know there is a logical answer, but not doing domestic works, or being registered, I just thought I'd throw this one out knowing I'm wrong, but also knowing you're all just dying to post about this!

Happy days comrades.

 

[Des 56]

It seems you could do more or less what you are suggesting

Tell the customer they have responsibility to notify, let them decide if they want to do so or ignore the nonsense, or they can get a registered spark to do the notifying for them

No involvement,no scams, no dealings with the Labc,must be attractive to many

 

[Ponty Massive]

I understand what Voltz means. If it's their responsibility, just turn up, do the works and give them the cert.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

It seems you could do more or less what you are suggesting

Tell the customer they have responsibility to notify, let them decide if they want to do so or ignore the nonsense, or they can get a registered spark to do the notifying for them

No involvement,no scams, no dealings with the Labc,must be attractive to many

That's what i am suggesting. It's not the sparkies responsibility, not his problem. Let the LABC chase the homeowner. Exploit the loopholes in the system.

 

[telectrix]

if everyone did this, it would soon be the death of part p. they can't prosecute 50,000 home owners.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Well reading my green book Electricians Guide to Building regs and sections
1.4.1 Registered Comepetent Enterprise
1.4.2. Un-registered competent person
1.4.3 Unqualified installers

all state that it is the electrician or diyer that is responsible for notifying building control, difference for registered guys is that they don't have to do it in advance and the scheme forwards the compliance statement to LABC after ensuring the guys is competent.
Homeowner is not mentioned

 

[Geoffsd]

Who has to notify building work (e.g. extension)?

This may include electrical work by registered or unregistered electrician.

 

[sedgy34]

isnt that a 17th edition question
the installer should notify works within part p requirements
if hes not registered he should notify building control and pay there premium he must also hold 2391 testing qualification
i know alot of ex subbies who do there own work and are not registered no insurances etc etc it still goes on

 

[Deleted member 26818]

It's the housholder, or person ordering the work that is responsible for notification.
This can be achieved either through prior notification etc. or by employing an electrician registered with a competent persons scheme.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

have we reached any consensus over who is responsible and whether it is viable to loosen the stranglehold the part p nonsense has over the domestic sector by letting the householder do the notification while the sparkies get on with the job?

 

[Guest123]

have we reached any consensus over who is responsible and whether it is viable to loosen the stranglehold the part p nonsense has over the domestic sector by letting the householder do the notification while the sparkies get on with the job?

Spin has it in a nutshell, by employing you to carry out the notifiable electrical work in their property, the householder is placing the onus on you to complete all aspects of the job i.e, notification on completion.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

cheers then all. It's been interesting and informative. See you again on the next one.

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[D80]

isnt that a 17th edition question
the installer should notify works within part p requirements
if hes not registered he should notify building control and pay there premium he must also hold 2391 testing qualification
i know alot of ex subbies who do there own work and are not registered no insurances etc etc it still goes on

Certainly nothing to do with the 17th edition.

BS7671 covers all of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland.

Part P is a building reg and, in terms of the schemes etc, only covers England and Wales. And I think to complicate that a little further it could become different in Wales in the future as well.