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Hi,
We are going into business making RCDs. We cannot undertsand why this massive gap in the market has been missed? All existing offtheshelf RCDs are >ÂŁ30 and massively over-engineered!!!.

Our method is a simple version of a "Fluxgate current sensor".

That is, we use the fluxgate principle, but dont bother with the feedback, and dont bother using a "square law" core Torroid (we just use a standard , cheap as chips, AC CT torroid)

Its for 32Arms mains distribution boxes, that need an RCD.
They must detect >30mA of imbalance current (between line and neutral) , and 6mA or more of DC "leakage" current.

....seriously ....all you have to do is you get your mains line and neutral running through the torroid aperture.......then you simply shove a square wave voltage into the sense coil (the sense coil "secondary" that's wrapped round the torroid).......then the voltage that gets looked at, is simply the voltage across a low value resistor in series with the sense coil.....(its put in series with the coil "gnd" connection and ground)........and you then see either a symetrical waveform if no DC and no imbalance...or otherwise its non symetircal..........in fact, all you have to do is buffer it, filter it, add a small offset voltage so its positive all the time......then read it into an ADC....and its job done. Why is not everybody doing it like this?.....no feedback is needed.
No "square law" core is needed.

So why is nobody doing this?
Why is everyone paying >ÂŁ30 for an offtheshelf RCD? (i am speaking about RCDs that dont contain the contactor, but just give the signal)

..the way described is inaccurate a bit, but you easily calibrate that out in production....just measure the coil core characteristics of the parts before building them up....

(this is for a sensor which will detect 30mA imbalance current in 32Arms wires...and also detect 6mA DC and more.)
 
I mean, if 'don't touch the busbars' is OK in an art gallery, surely a talking RCD is OK in a DB?
The day a toilet started talking to me on a Virgin Pendolino train I think the rules got torn up, anything goes.
I quite like the idea of the consumer unit shouting “you idiot” or “buy a new cooker element”
 
Pages 7-9 of this are worth reading:
In particular the requirement from the EN 62423 standard for power-free tripping.

Another useful document (not specifically this thread) is this one:
Pages 25-27 have useful guidelines for leakage currents for many appliances if ever wondering "How many devices can I connect?"
 
Here's something to cheer everyone up.....

Electricians in and around London are taking ÂŁ96 per hour at the moment...mostly installing EV points....


....listen to 23:41 onwards for the ÂŁ96 per hour statement

The earnings of one electrician (in Cambridge), who aims at a particular type of client, are unlikely to be representative of the average electrician in and around London.
 

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