Why bother with Part P ?

[bwm730]

Had a call from a customer who wanted a couple of extra sockets installed in her kitchen. Explained to her over the phone that these would need RCD protecting,etc and she informed me that she had a new consumer unit installed 18 months ago when a disabled bathroom was installed downstairs. Went there this morning and inspected the consumer unit and noticed there was no bonding to the Gas or Water. Asked her who installed it and she explained that the Bathroom was installed by a Council sub-contractor ( she had a grant from the council towards the cost ) who subbed the electrical work to a local electrician. She hadn't received any electrical certificates but had received a completion of works certificate for the bathroom from Building Control. Upon reading the BC schedule it stated an NICEIC cert was required for the electrical work. Spoke to the local NICEIC electrician and asked him why no bonding had been installed, his reply was that is wasn't on his schedule of works. Politely informed him that it was a requirement of the current regs , especially if a new CU was installed and he then replied that he couldn't remember this job.
So basically the customer has paid for the complete job, building control has signed it off, no certificates and no bonding. Part P strikes again. Why do i bother renewing my membership every year ?

 

[telectrix]

1. is that copper pipe extraneous? 2. it's probably bonded to the gas through the boiler. a little more info would help. and we're not concerned about the copper pipe becoming "live". the concern is that it could have an earth potential.

 

[Guitarist]

still a `little knowlege can be dangerous` scenareo though isn`t it...
i honestly dont see a difference

You know that I am one of those very much against quick training courses Glen, but more and more I'm seeing other trades offering an "all-in-one" service which doesn't involve any testing or paperwork at all. At least the Electrical Trainee's own an MFT!!!

 

[Guitarist]

I keep finding gas meters with no bonding and the invariable reply is"Well,its an new meter fitted by the Gas Board so it should be alright."

And when you explain that it's required, you get that look from the customer which says you're touting for work. Invariably Dave gets the job, who tells them it's fine as it is, and you get a reputation for "finding work that doesn't need doing". Makes me bloody mad to be honest!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You know that I am one of those very much against quick training courses Glen, but more and more I'm seeing other trades offering an "all-in-one" service which doesn't involve any testing or paperwork at all. At least the Electrical Trainee's own an MFT!!!

well...it depends...
i was at a place the other day where it was a new kitchen ring installed by someone...
there was supposed to be a new down ring as well.....but a quick check behind some points said otherwise....
well, i dont doubt he`d done the work but it was old colours he`d used...
further more there was no `2 different versions` sticker at origin. This same circuit was being fed by 2 seperate 32Bs...a non-conformance.
the boiler he had wired was not earthed....again a non-conformance
The chap whoos property it was said this guy had just dissappeared off the map...
he was watching what i was doing and happened to notice the DMM lying next to my MFT...
`oh, thats the thing that the guy was testing with` he said pointing to the digital multimeter
hmm...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

1. is that copper pipe extraneous? 2. it's probably bonded to the gas through the boiler. a little more info would help. and we're not concerned about the copper pipe becoming "live". the concern is that it could have an earth potential.

exactly Tel....its all about limiting potential differences is bonding....

 

[shanky887614]

multi meters have there place.

in the bottom of the bag for quick test e.g. continuity between fuses or checking if isolators are fubar etc

 

[telectrix]

and for alarm, CCTV, work etc.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

multi meters have there place.

in the bottom of the bag for quick test e.g. continuity between fuses or checking if isolators are fubar etc

but not for initial verification of finals....like this fella was using it for....
for a start they generally only go to one DP for ohms....
not the min requirement of 2DP is it....