wireless Alarms

[bigbaddave]

Hi All, After a little advice / help, I am on the look out for a wireless system to isstall. Requirements are - Key pad must be small and descreet.

I dont normally fit wireless ones only wired on the rare accasion and allways fit Veritas ones when i do. Fit the control panel away in a cuboard or in the loft and then put the nice descreet keypad at the doorway.

Is there any wireless ones on the market that offer the same kind of set up ? Or alternitavly the main panel is not a hidious huge panel..

Muchas Grassy ---....

 

[oldtimer]

I have been doing alarms for the past 30 years and have little or no faith with wireless plus i never seen the same system twice and I can and have never made money on them. I was called out to one system where all the batteries were flat there was 6 required I could not source them but I had 2 in the motor from a previous job that I also made no money on anyway they got new batteries but no call back to me so I am down 2 hours and £12 for the batteries.

Sorry but I will not touch them

 

[chrish_1977]

Yale do a nice one, also have a customer who wants wireless, screw fix do a kit that you can add pir's too and extra keypads etc and its all wireless just fit stuff where you want it

 

[telectrix]

gardtech 595. keypad and ext. sounder are hard wired but detectors are all wireless. batteries in detectors last at least 2 years. if you want the phone no. pm me.

 

[polo1]

I don't share Old Timer's dislike of wireless, though I do much prefer wired systems! Not cheap, but Scantronic i-On is worth a look. Downside is the control unit is fairly large (but you would normally stick that in a cupboard) and one RKP must be hard wired. Can accommodate hard wired detectors too.

Regards.

 

[monkeyelectric]

I've just installed a yale wireless one today actually, it was very easy to fit and pair everything with the control panel, it came with 2 pir's, 2 door contacts, a siren and dummy box, you can add other different bits to it including a keypad if you like. Out of choice i would have preferred a wired one but it was what the customer bought.

 

[tazz]

Said this so mny times on here, Yale, Response etc do not comply to the recommended minmum protection level of 3A BS4737 wireless, so can be defeated. Scantronic will proberbly have a higher level. But if the alarm doesnt meet this criteria, its a waste of time.

 

[monkeyelectric]

Said this so mny times on here, Yale, Response etc do not comply to the recommended minmum protection level of 3A BS4737 wireless, so can be defeated. Scantronic will proberbly have a higher level. But if the alarm doesnt meet this criteria, its a waste of time.

How are they allowed to sell them then?

 

[tazz]

This was the problem dti had in the 90`s, were they fit for purpose...? all started with some clever burglars from Liverpool, who used wireless doorbells on the same frequency 418mhz in those days to block the signal as the entered and cleared the property. Naccoss then brought out a standard after Meridan tv and Whatdog ran a feature on these systems, and any professional installed system must meet Grade 6, on 868 mhz any diy system must meet minimum of grade 3A.

 

[oldtimer]

Said this so mny times on here, Yale, Response etc do not comply to the recommended minmum protection level of 3A BS4737 wireless, so can be defeated. Scantronic will proberbly have a higher level. But if the alarm doesnt meet this criteria, its a waste of time.

Yep some say easy to fit but try go back to repair and thats where I come in and for me I just cannot make money on them

 

[tazz]

Yep some say easy to fit but try go back to repair and thats where I come in and for me I just cannot make money on them

And here lies the dilemma....do you fit and expensive top grade wireless system which meets the grade and will do the job, but the customer wont pay for, and then goes for an installer fitting a diy system...or stick with the proven wire systems

 

[polo1]

Scanny I-on can be Grade 2 or Grade 3 compliant depending on how it is set up.

 

[oldtimer]

As I have said before some guys like fitting them and thats fine but what I find is and its the same with wired systems when I say to the customer who put it in for you they always say O the electrician who rewired the house around 2 years ago but I phoned him and he said. "Sorry I dont repair these best get an alarm company"

Mind last month I walked into the house and before I could say anything the customer said get that heap of sh!t out of my house so not all bad.lol

 

[tazz]

Then all it does is set off the alarm if it detects a signal for more than a preset time say 30 secs.....great for false alarms

 

[tazz]

From NACOSS and ACPOL...only wireless alarms meeting grade 6 may be connected via digicom, redcare or gsm to a central monitoring station for requesting police response.