wiring in dado trunking

[Guest123]

so what would u reckon would be the easiest way to fix this i have only an hour in this office 2morrow morning only thing i can think of is replacing swiches with fused spurs any ideas

Tell them what they have is pants and requires quite a bit of work to be put right....more than an hours worth!!!

 

[nicsin02]

Tell them what they have is pants and requires quite a bit of work to be put right....more than an hours worth!!!

i will put that to them 2morro but i only have an hour to make it as safe as i can and i will say to gaffer about a re-wire

 

[1shortcircuit]

i will put that to them 2morro but i only have an hour to make it as safe

Well that's easy peasy lemon squeezy...

Enter building, inform everyone that you need to switch off offending circuits for a little while, once everything is shut down and safe to isolate, enter consumer unit, identify offending circuits, swicth off, lock off, write down bosses number, give to person in charge and inform them that you have made safe in allocated time and to rectify the situation they need to speak with your boss..... Exit with smile from ear to ear knowing that installation is all safe and prepare yourself for a really sound nights sleep. :77:

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[nicsin02]

Well that's easy peasy lemon squeezy...

Enter building, inform everyone that you need to switch off offending circuits for a little while, once everything is shut down and safe to isolate, enter consumer unit, identify offending circuits, swicth off, lock off, write down bosses number, give to person in charge and inform them that you have made safe in allocated time and to rectify the situation they need to speak with your boss..... Exit with smile from ear to ear knowing that installation is all safe and prepare yourself for a really sound nights sleep. :77:

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i would get sacked for that mate, will just have to stick with 13amp spurs for now, cable wont go on fire so i WILL sleep sound, dont care if 13amps aint enough for their sockets they can deal with my boss about that, as long as it wont burn :cheesy:

 

[Darkwood]

What concerns me here nicsin02 is your basic lack of understanding to Reg's regarding the several areas mentioned above that you never even touched on yourself, as well as a lack of understanding of the function of a 20amp switch.

I assume its and office with computers and alot of them, so to re-enforce what farmelectrics said you have got a functional earthing system and these radials are unlikely to be set up to allow for this or the ring main in that case.
If the socket circuit isn't under the supervision of an instructed person then RCD cover will also be required and i wouldn't be wiring more than 5 or 6 computers to each circuit unless using a SI unit which allows for an increase in this no'.
Basic understanding of regulations which are clearly shown in picture form in the OSG or Reg's to the allowances for spuring of ring circuits seems to be missing from your knowledge which is of great concern.

What are your qualifications and experience as your post and replies are showing a lack of competence, you shouldn't be undertaking this work if your asking the questions you are and also having other major areas of concern been pointed out to you.

Let me make this clear Nicsin02, if you change, alter or make any addition to this circuit/s then you are responsible for its compliance and it will have to meet 17th addition once you do, the high integrity earthing and the need for it is a great concern in my mind as it is a safety issue if not done correctly.

I hope you can take this as valuable advice and not a dig in any way.

 

[1shortcircuit]

i would get sacked for that mate, will just have to stick with 13amp spurs for now, cable wont go on fire so i WILL sleep sound, dont care if 13amps aint enough for their sockets they can deal with my boss about that, as long as it wont burn :cheesy:

How do you work that out?

You're given a ridiculous amount of time to rectify what sounds like a ballache of a job so you are making safe within the allocated time? I don't see the issue

So what have you told your boss and what has he suggested you do?

I love working for myself :devilish:

 

[Marvo]

I would just make sure all cabling is protected by correctly sized MCB's or fuses. Explain to the customer the problems with the existing installation and quote accordingly for remedial work.

 

[doublecuff]

To quote the band Orange Juice. Rip it up and start again.

 

[nicsin02]

What concerns me here nicsin02 is your basic lack of understanding to Reg's regarding the several areas mentioned above that you never even touched on yourself, as well as a lack of understanding of the function of a 20amp switch.

I assume its and office with computers and alot of them, so to re-enforce what farmelectrics said you have got a functional earthing system and these radials are unlikely to be set up to allow for this or the ring main in that case.
If the socket circuit isn't under the supervision of an instructed person then RCD cover will also be required and i wouldn't be wiring more than 5 or 6 computers to each circuit unless using a SI unit which allows for an increase in this no'.
Basic understanding of regulations which are clearly shown in picture form in the OSG or Reg's to the allowances for spuring of ring circuits seems to be missing from your knowledge which is of great concern.

What are your qualifications and experience as your post and replies are showing a lack of competence, you shouldn't be undertaking this work if your asking the questions you are and also having other major areas of concern been pointed out to you.

Let me make this clear Nicsin02, if you change, alter or make any addition to this circuit/s then you are responsible for its compliance and it will have to meet 17th addition once you do, the high integrity earthing and the need for it is a great concern in my mind as it is a safety issue if not done correctly.

I hope you can take this as valuable advice and not a dig in any way.

listen "darkwood" i made a simple mistake with the 20a switch, it aint my job or site, i just started with the company and was told to check wot breaker worked which circuit and how many points etc.... spoke to the electrician and he told me what hes been doing, didnt think its sounded quite right hence the reason i posted it on form, i have to go out there tomorrow morning to connect 2 data points then i have to be at another job for 9am, the sockets are protected by a 32a mcb not an rcd, i know all about the earthing arrangements for a circuit for which computers are running, in this case this circuit has single earthing, so tommorow i will change the switches for spurs and let my gaffer know, it aint my job so the electrician who did it can take responibilty i will make safe as i can, and for your information kid i have 17th edition, 2391, PAT testing and my compex................. hope that doesnt sound too condesending pal.

 

[trev]

" it aint my job so the electrician who did it can take responibilty"
You are going to be the last person working on this "circuit" so unfortunately it's going to be your responsibility if it goes horribly wrong

 

[Swicade]

Fit the 2 Data points (your job)...leave the electrical socket install alone (as it's not your job)....report your concerns to your boss and let him/her deal with it.

Job done...alls good. IF you change the switches (not your job but is the right thing to do) you then take responsibilty for anything going wrong. The way OP was typed it sounded like it was your job to sort out tbh but that's obviously not the case.

 

[nicsin02]

Fit the 2 Data points (your job)...leave the electrical socket install alone (as it's not your job)....report your concerns to your boss and let him/her deal with it.

Job done...alls good. IF you change the switches (not your job but is the right thing to do) you then take responsibilty for anything going wrong. The way OP was typed it sounded like it was your job to sort out tbh but that's obviously not the case.

correct changing the switches is the right thing to do, nothing will go wrong if protected with a 13amp fuse, still wont be rcd protected, still wont have correct earthing... but wont go on fire, it is an office that has been built for a while i think , i think my boss has priced for putting in an extra 16 sockets not knowing that the earthing arrangemnt isnt suitable so he will hace to arrange a price for rewiring an earth back to DB, our company fiited the sockets so i will make safe and they can iron out the other details!!

 

[Rockingit]

listen "darkwood" ..... for your information kid i have 17th edition, 2391, PAT testing and my compex................. hope that doesnt sound too condesending pal.

Doesn't sound condescending at all. It sounds like you're a Electrical Trainee DI chancer, kid.

 

[nicsin02]

Doesn't sound condescending at all. It sounds like you're a Electrical Trainee DI chancer, kid.

"Electrical Trainee DI" ???

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really are alot of big heads on this forum!

 

[Darkwood]

Wasn't trying to get your back up, and from your reply i assume this other electrician is part of your company too, if this is the case then do as you suggested but you have to be clear to the boss in doing so he should bring the job up to reg's as part of the work and not as a later thought, think of the senerio where you swap for spurs but couple of days later a serious injury/death happens because of a fault on say a computer; ok might sound like im been over dramatic but you last one to make changes and do you think your boss will take the fall cos i dont i think he throw the blame at your feet.

As goes my other comment pls understand we have to make a judgement call over the abilities and understanding that the OP has (yourself in this case) and sometimes we make a bad call but you questioning and replies suggested otherwise, it wasn't your original question that rang bells only your further replies to the posts so apologise if offended but did enjoy you 'KID' comment not often an old man (well 40) gets tagged with that.

If you check all the posts again you'll see im not the only one who came to the same conclusion but other well established members did too regarding the other issues brought up which do bare as much importance as to the safety of the circuit and require addressing at the same time.

I understand you time constraints and possible a boss who dosn't want to hear problems but just wants jobs done .... been there walked out but in your shoes id at least talk to your boss explaining you cant do what is ask of you without addressing the other issues at the same time, if he still tell you to get on with what you were asked to do then at least hes aware.... and as for this other electrician i hope he isn't part of your firm as he'd have been sacked for that level of work if i employed him.