Working in live enclosures

[industryspark]

TPN switchfuse bolted onto a busbar chamber. Bottom half (supply terminals) live and covered by the manufacturer fitted shield. Cables to be connected to the top load terminals. Some sparks i know would happily work on the top terminals even though the enclosure houses live, albiet shielded terminals.............opinions?

Regards

 

[snowhead]

can't see what all the fuss is about. next thing we know is HSE will be banning us from driving if the engine is running.

If HSE had any jurisdiction on transport, there wouldn't be a single vehicle on the road.

Unguarded machinery under the control of poorly trained operatives covers it.

 

[Knobhead]

That will be until someone is injured and the HSE are all over you like a rash asking you why you worked live

We had a guy badly burnt by arc flash, they didn’t get involved. Surprising I know but it saved us a lot of hassle and paperwork.

 

[shanky887614]

We had a guy badly burnt by arc flash, they didn’t get involved. Surprising I know but it saved us a lot of hassle and paperwork.

i thought the hse only really got involved if there was a death, someone suing the company or enviromental hazard rtc

i got a nice scar on my hand, when i cut it then accepted all blame in paperwork e.g accident book etc (filled it in only because boss was ****ing me off over it)

so he got an earful and a lot of emails etc, if he didnt moan etc it would of been a case of take more care next time and carry on.

 

[Bobster]

i thought the hse only really got involved if there was a death, someone suing the company or enviromental hazard rtc

They can get involved for any reason they like, although as you say they only really step in if it's serious.

 

[Pete999]

We had a guy badly burnt by arc flash, they didn’t get involved. Surprising I know but it saved us a lot of hassle and paperwork.

I once committed the cardinal sin of issuing 2 permits to work on the same LV system nearly blinded a jointer. so I don't take chances anymore, it was a humbling experience HSE all over me APs ticket revoked for 6 months.nearly causing someone else to be killed brings safety into perspective. been there done that got the T shirt never again.

 

[shanky887614]

I once committed the cardinal sin of issuing 2 permits to work on the same LV system nearly blinded a jointer. so I don't take chances anymore, it was a humbling experience HSE all over me APs ticket revoked for 6 months.nearly causing someone else to be killed brings safety into perspective. been there done that got the T shirt never again.

if you dont mind me asking, how did the two permits cause the issue?

im not sure i follow how it happend?

 

[cobrauk]

I have not read all the posts but from the first page it would seem that the question being asked would apply to all 3 phase single phase Consumer units, so are you all saying we shouldn't work in them? as apart from new installations there is no means of isolating the supply from the meter is there ?
Or am I not reading the question correctly ?

 

[Pete999]

if you dont mind me asking, how did the two permits cause the issue?

im not sure i follow how it happend?

Closed one powered pack up with one permit still valid and guys still working, not the right thing to do, it was a long long time ago but I still think about it when ever I lock off and isolate, so when people say we do it every , work live that is, it makes me see red, no I don't mind you asking at all if it makes people think the all the better as far as I'm concerned

 

[Andy78]

i thought the hse only really got involved if there was a death, someone suing the company or enviromental hazard rtc

i got a nice scar on my hand, when i cut it then accepted all blame in paperwork e.g accident book etc (filled it in only because boss was ****ing me off over it)

so he got an earful and a lot of emails etc, if he didnt moan etc it would of been a case of take more care next time and carry on.

List of reportable incidents and injuries .......
Reportable incidents - RIDDOR - HSE

 

[snowhead]

I have not read all the posts but from the first page it would seem that the question being asked would apply to all 3 phase single phase Consumer units, so are you all saying we shouldn't work in them? as apart from new installations there is no means of isolating the supply from the meter is there ?
Or am I not reading the question correctly ?

If the live incoming cables /terminals are adequately shielded, as most have been for a long time and your own risk assessment doesn't throw up any other hazards then yes it's O.K to work in such boards.

 

[shanky887614]

List of reportable incidents and injuries .......
Reportable incidents - RIDDOR - HSE

it wasnt reportable under riddor, i carried on working and was back in again the next day.

i just got a little scar to remind me to wear gloves why doing trunking

i filled it in because boss was being a cee you next tuesday so i filled it in.

anyone looking at it can see its a joke.

first aid administered - none

days off work - none

lol